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Infinite Spider-Man 10.2: Flexibility

Posted by Mister Mets 24 April 2012



Spider-Man's an astoundingly versatile character, when you consider all of the settings for Peter Parker's personal life. There have been great stories with the character as a high school student, college student, Daily Bugle photographer, high school teacher and scientist. It's possible for any of these avocations to be used in a video game or film adaptation. You could compare that to characters like Batman and Superman, who tend to have much more consistency in their professional lives.

There have also been numerous romantic interests in the great Spider-Man stories, which suggests that the adaptability applies to that category as well. Betty Brant had the Master Planner saga and the first appearance of the Sinister Six. Gwen Stacy had "Spider-Man No More" and "Death and Destiny." Mary Jane had Kraven's Last Hunt and "To Have and To Hold." Black Cat had the Octopus/ Owl War and Shed. Even Carlie Cooper had "Spider Island" and "No One Dies." 

I think it's best for the long-term to preserve the flexibility of Spider-Man's alter ego. This means that the character probably shouldn't get married. And it means that his current age according to the editors (mid-twenties) is ideal. It allows the writers to alternate between uncertain young adulthood and a fixed career path.

Because of the character's ambidexterity, an illusion of change approach works better than a commitment to change approach. The latter ultimately closes more doors, eventually creating a more fixed version of the character. The illusion of change approach only prevents writers from telling the stories that close off opportunities for later writers.

I admit that there is a different and probably irreconcilable way to view flexibility. One can interpret it as an argument for lasting change, since the character transitioned successfully from high school student to college student to married professional and so on.

But some developments close too many doors. If Peter Parker's a married dad, there won't be further flexibility on this aspect of his life. The writers, editors and readers would be stuck with it. And as he gets older, he'll be expected to stick around longer wherever he works, so there's less versatility in the professional sphere as well.

It's likely that at some point in the future, Peter Parker will revert back to a more familiar career. It probably won't be permanent, which is a good thing. It's also likely that at some point, he'll have an entirely new occupation. With the illusion of change approach, if writers do something that turns out to not be of interest, they can reverse it quickly, and go to something else.

Writers are always free to get rid of characters they get tired of. If they don't like Aunt May, they can ship her off to Florida. Or not focus on the times Peter interacts with her when they live in the same city. If they don't like J Jonah Jameson (and who doesn't like J Jonah Jameson?) they can always have Peter Parker not interact as often with the mayor of New York City. If Harry's a part of the status quo, writers who don't like him can ship him off to rehab or Europe for their entire run.

They're far more restricted with what they could do with Spider-Man's wife. Peter will be expected to interact with her fairly often. To be fair, I don't recall writers or editors complaining about Mary Jane getting too much face time.

I see the Illusion of Change as the middle ground between the old school DC/ Archie approach and radical change, the type you usually only see in Independent comics. I recently reread Alan Moore's run of Miracleman. And a lot of stuff happened in the space of sixteen issues.
  • The superhero's wife left him.
  • There was a major suicide.
  • The superhero killed his best friend.
  • A child conceived during the story essentially grew up in a way that was quite different from what was anticipated.
  • Thousands of civilians died in the crossfire of a superhero battle.
  • The superhero found true love.
That type of approach works for an independent comic. It doesn't work for a series like Spider-Man, which is part of a shared universe and expected to continue for several hundred more issues.

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I was listening to a recent episode of the Spider-Man Crawl Space podcast, and the hosts mocked part of Joe Quesada's rationale for getting rid of the Spider-Man marriage by noting recent scenes in Amazing Spider-Man #679 which they felt contradicted some of the reasons given for OMD.

From the 169th episode (about 42 1/2 minutes in)...

George Berryman: This does lose a grade for completely getting Silver Sable wrong. Even when she's worked with Spider-Man in the past, there's been a respectable tension between them, like, "I wonder if there's anything more about him" or anything. It's never really gone further with him or anything like say with him and Jean Dewolfe. 
Brad Douglas: Like the Assassin Nation Plot. Remember they were at a dinner, and he was in a tux and she was in a dress. 
George Berryman: Right, and they were still professional. She's all about being professional. I like seeing Silver Sable back, but not if she's going to be misrepresented, if the writer's going to go out of his way to prove that he doesn't know much more about the character to begin with. 
Brad Douglas: That's two women in two issues that have been misrepresented. 
George Berryman: Right, because it's relateable to me. This makes the character more relateable to me being kissed by this ultra-hot head of state in an alley. I couldn't relate to the character when he was married to a supermodel he had known since he was a teenager, but I could relate to him being the guy who kisses a foreign national who happens to be a supermodel level hottie in an alleyway. That I get totally. I think we can all say that, right?
A few days ago, I considered if Joe Quesada was hypocritical for pushing One More Day after all the other stuff that happened to the character under his watch. Now it's time to look at whether his reasoning for those developments could be reconciled with subsequent events in the Spider-Man comics, or related projects in other media.

I don't think there was any inconsistency with the Silver Sable scene. While the average reader does not know what it's like to get a peck on the cheek from a gorgeous internationally recognized woman, the scene did not violate any of the reasoning behind One More Day. The peck on the cheek represented a brief acknowledgement of all that Spider-Man does from one person. It's not something that he can brag about to most of his peers.

One of the numerous problems with Peter Parker being married to a loving supermodel was that it was a big consistent "win" for the character. And everyone knew it. One can think that it was a bad idea, but that the character should occasionally have smaller victories. The President will shake his hand. Some of the people he rescues will thank him. It fits the secret identity motif, as Peter Parker won't be able to communicate any of this to most of his friends and family. And it's often balanced by small losses, as civilians he saves accuse him of grandstanding, or his duties as Spider-Man conflict with his job as Peter Parker.

Horizon Labs

That segues into the most controversial element of the status quo, in the context of the understanding of Quesada's guidelines for the Spider-Man books: Peter Parker's job at Horizon Labs. The argument goes that if Peter Parker shouldn't be married to a gorgeous woman, he shouldn't have a great job, either.

A difference here is that there's no reason to assume that Horizon Labs is going to stick around forever. There are many ways a writer could take away all the things that Peter Parker currently enjoys. He could get fired. He could lose everything upon discovering that Max Modell is a bad guy. He could lose everything when Max Modell is forced to make a difficult sacrifice. It's easier for writers to change Peter's job than his marital status.

Mayor Jameson

I admit that it's a bit ridiculous for Peter Parker to be on friendly terms with the Mayor of New York City. But there's a point to Jonah's new job that makes up for that drawback. One of the problems with the Daily Bugle as a setting is that the newspaper industry is really volatile at the moment. We don't know if it's going to exist a decade from now, in a way that's similar to what it was in silver age comics. Jonah becoming hizzoner sidesteps that issue, as we can all be pretty sure that New York City will still have a mayor in fifty years, when Spider-Man's adventure may still be ongoing.

Given their history, Jonah's not going to be all that interested in helping out Peter Parker. And putting him in the mayor's office doesn't exactly make things easier for Spider-Man.

Aunt May's Second Husband

There were some questions about why the writers were so keen to marry off Aunt May, shortly after erasing Peter's marriage. May did well for herself, marrying a nice successful guy. Considering her lack of history with Jonah Sr, you could argue that it's unlikelier than Peter marrying MJ, as he had known her before she went to go into show-biz.

A major distinction is that Aunt May isn't the lead of the book, so her romantic adventures weren't a big part of the series. The tradeoff is worth is to get Jonah Sr to become a member of the supporting cast, considering what he brings to the series. It also meant that Jonah would remain in Peter Parker's circle, even after Peter no longer had a job in his administration or the press. If the writers feel that Jonah Sr hinders the stories that they want to tell, they're not as restricted as they would be with Spider-Man's marriage. They can kill him off, or even do a divorce storyline. While Aunt May has traditionally complicated Peter Parker's life, the writers could always come up with other supporting characters for that role.

Spider-Man the Avenger

For many readers, part of Spider-Man's appeal was that he was a hero who acted alone. Some older comics pros have suggested that launching Marvel Team-Up back in 1972 was a bad idea, because it forced Spider-Man to interact with other Marvel superheroes and become familiar with those guys. So for these readers, a big mistake occurred under Quesada's tenure, when Spider-Man joined the Avengers.

If there's a constant in the Avengers membership, it's change. Spider-Man won't always be an Avenger, and while he may be more familiar with his former teammates, any writer who wants to tell a story about Spider-Man teaming up with an unfriendly superhero can do so, with one of the many Marvel characters who hasn't been on the Avengers or the Future Foundation with Spider-Man.

The New Spider-Man Cartoon

In a later edition of the Crawl Space podcast, 43 minutes into the 174th episode, J.R. Fettinger criticized the new Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon by this criteria.
J.R. Fettinger: I don't want to rag on a cartoon meant for ten year olds, but one of the reasons Spider-Man has always been popular is he kinda has a youthful rebellion about him. He didn't fit in with the other superheroes because he was young and hot-tempered, and he wasn't a glamour boy. Captain America is the high school quarterback; Spider-Man is not. For Spider-Man to kinda join the system, it just doesn't seem right. This is not a knock on the cartoon, this is just a knock on Marvel's disingenuousness. We have to hear about Tom Brevoort and Joe Quesada saying that Spider-Man can't be married because that takes away from his core base, his core popularity, the core of what makes Spider-Man. But having him join the Avengers and in the cartoon, having him join Nick Fury's program and call Nick Fury "Sir" with the super-buddies and having SHIELD provide him with high-tech toys, well, that's not Spider-Man either, you know?
BD: Yeah.
J.R. Fettinger: So it's that disingenuousness that I absolutely loathe. 
The Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon is a departure from what we're used to with Spider-Man. And JR is correct to note the financial incentives for featuring other heroes in supporting roles (it makes it much easier to sell action figures.) It almost seems like a Harry Potter version of Spider-Man, with the young orphan hero hero joining a school for those with super-powers. By duplicating some of the things that are appealing about that sales juggernaut, it's possible that Marvel will lose what worked with their successful franchise.

It's worth noting that this is the eighth Spider-Man cartoon to date, which does allow Marvel and Disney more license to deviate from the norm. There will be other animated series in the future, some of which will be closer to what we would normally associate with the character. But what goes on in this series isn't as important in the long-term as decisions made in Amazing Spider-Man. Plus, if you think that the cartoon's direction was a bad idea, as is the case with Mr. Fettinger, that hardly presents an argument for further deviations from the core of the series.

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Infinite Spider-Man 9.11: Was Joe Quesada a hypocrite?

Posted by Mister Mets 14 March 2012


A common argument against using One More Day to “fix” Spider‑Man was that it was hypocritical for Joe Quesada to complain about how the twenty‑first Century Spider‑Man was so different from the core of the character, when the franchise has changed under his watch. Stuff that happened in the series prior to One More Day included Straczynci’s revisions to the origin, Peter quitting the Daily Bugle to become a teacher, Aunt May learning that her nephew is Spider‑Man, Sins Past, Spider‑Man joining the Avengers, Eddie Brock giving up the Venom symbiote, Peter’s family moving into the Avengers tower, organic webbing, the new powers which resulted from “The Other” rebirth, the “Iron Spider” Armor, Peter’s partnership with Tony Stark, his decision to reveal his identity to the world, and his status as a wanted fugitive. However, an analysis of these developments reveals that for the most part, Spider‑Man hadn’t radically and irreversibly changed under Quesada.

Any overview of the Spider‑Man books while Quesada’s been EIC should also consider the state of affairs of the Spider‑Man becomes pre‑Quesada, where there were events such as Mary Jane’s death, her success as a supermodel, the period where Peter was Spider‑Man without telling Mary Jane, Spider‑Man: Chapter One (which was meant to replace some of the most significant Spider-Man comics ever) and the other aspects of the unsuccessful 1999 relaunch. As Quesada inherited Mackie’s Spider‑Man, the stories written while he was Editor in Chief represent a marked improvement, if only in terms of basic craft. This is one reason it was difficult to blame Quesada for the problems plaguing the books. In addition, the most significant change he has wanted to reverse is the marriage and he couldn’t be blamed for anything to do with that, unless he gave an edict to the writers that they can not write the marriage in an interesting way. Rich Johnson would have a field day with that one, and I suspect JMS would have happily leaked it.

But let's look at stuff that happened in the Spider-Man comics from 2001-2007.

Aunt May Knowing Spider‑Man’s Identity

While Aunt May knowing Spider‑Man’s identity did restrict some stories, you could always do the stories that required her not to know about Peter’s hobby (IE‑ the old woman who loves Peter and fears Spider‑Man, the old woman getting worried about Peter when he disappears at the same time a supervillain is sighted, etcetera) with another character, although it will lose some of the tension. Aunt May knowing allows for new stories, and as far as I'm concerned, doesn’t resolve the confidentiality problems, as there’s stuff that Peter will not be able or willing to tell the elderly woman who raised him.

As a result, I wouldn’t mind her learning his identity again, as that was a good step for the characters, Peter knows that she can handle the shock and there’s still good drama in Peter trying to keep the extent of the dangers associated with his hobby secret from her. I wouldn’t see Peter being able to confide in her about the secret Skrull invasion. However, when Aunt May doesn't know, there's a greater opportunity for dramatic irony.

The New Physics Teacher

Peter quitting the Daily Bugle to teach high school struck me as an “illusion of change” development. It didn’t make Peter’s life easier, and gave him all sorts of new problems, such as the possibility he would be fired or just disappoint students if he’s late to school because of a fight with a new supervillain. While the faculty of Midtown High could have become a more vital part of the supporting cast, the staff of the Bugle was still around, should any writers have chosen to do something with them. While it had the disadvantage of limiting Spider-Man’s exposure to superhero incidents (unless an ungodly amount of his students were tied to this sort of stuff) at any point, Peter could have returned to the Daily Bugle or left his job as a teacher, which is pretty much what ended up happening.


The Spider‑Totem

The mystical connection to the origin (the spider‑totem stuff) hadn’t altered the character of Spider‑Man. Instead, it permitted new types of stories, should any future writers choose to follow up on this. Otherwise they’re free to ignore and never reference the developments, as these did not create a transformation in the relationship between Spider‑Man and any pre‑existing villains or supporting cast members. No one had explored the ramifications of the radiation which gave Spider‑Man his powers as well as Straczynski, aside from the time the blood transfusion gave May radiation poisoning.


Sins Past

Sins Past, while despised by many hasn’t created a significant change to Spider‑Man or any of the major characters. Gwen Stacy's been dead for more than a generation, so she wasn’t going to be a source of many major new stories and any attempt to resurrect her would be a tremendous mistake. There were complaints about Mary Jane’s actions in keeping Gwen and Norman’s one night stand (and the aftermath) a secret, although in this case, there really was no appropriate time or place for her to reveal this stuff to Peter. Norman Osborn has done many worse things than a teenager, so this hasn’t hurt his character.

“Sins Past” did change elements of “The Night Gwen Stacy Died” including Osborn’s reasons for targeting Gwen, but that story still exists unaltered in comic book readers’ libraries. It was probably a bad move for Marvel and is one reason Amazing Spider‑Man sales slipped after Romita Jr left although JMS got the readers back with “The Other” and the Civil War tie‑ins), but the impact was limited. The fallout has been restricted to one six issue story, a four issue follow‑up, and scattered lines in a handful of comics, even if Gabriel Stacy returned in the American Son mini-series.

The First New Venom

I thought Mac Gargan gaining the powers of the Venom symbiote was one of the smartest developments in the Spider-Man comics in the last decade. It cemented Venom as one of the top three Spider‑Man villains since Eddie Brock’s motivations for what he does were always rather inadequate and the character just seems more monumental when a Lee/ Ditko creation is the host. It must have been a bit of a disappointment in Amazing Spider‑Man #300 when Venom unmasked, and turned out to be some guy the readers had never met before (this is probably why every other version of the story featured Eddie Brock before he became Venom.

If Mac becoming Venom was a permanent change, it fulfills my requirements for appropriate progress: it makes Peter’s life more difficult, doesn’t counter what the characters would do and encourages new types of stories. There would be a trained supervillain in the Venom suit (and he hated Spider‑Man just as much Brock did, while he’s a little bit more dangerous due to the additional experience), someone else could have the Scorpion suit and Eddie Brock would still on the loose. Leaving Eddie Brock alive at the end of Millar’s Spider‑Man run was a purely editorial decision, but an intelligent one, as it allowed future writers to have Eddie Brock regain the symbiote (essentially making Mac gaining the symbiote an example of the “Illusion of Change.”) or do something different with the character. Now that the readers are familiar with him, if some imposing new villain unmasks and reveals himself as Eddie Brock, it’s going to be a cool moment. Or he could just stay Anti-Venom.

The New Avengers

Many comic book fans expect changes to the status quo to last forever, or until the books end (which they seem to want to happen at the time their interest in the title starts waning.) Every now and then, I see polls asking how long Spider‑Man and Wolverine will remain on the Avengers, often with the implication that once they leave, Bendis’s decision to introduce them to the series (and his entire run on the title) will be a failure. Reading the first Essential Avengers volume is a reminder that the only constant for the Avengers is change. The Avengers team at the end of the first issue couldn’t even last until the end of the second. All of the founding Avengers left in the sixteenth issue, replaced by three B‑grade (and that's being charitable) former villains.

Of course Spider‑Man and Wolverine will eventually leave the Avengers! It was never meant to be a permanent development, as there never has been a permanent member of the Avengers. The reason Bendis’s New Avengers is so influential (and will remain that way after Spider‑Man and Wolverine leave) was because of the way it permits future writers to put anyone they want onto the Avengers, restoring the series to what it was meant to be: a team book with a diverse array of Marvel heroes.

At the same time, Spider‑Man developed new connections with his fellow Avengers. He has an easygoing camaraderie with Luke Cage, which allows for fun team‑ups. Putting him on the same team as Wolverine strengthens the relationship between Marvel’s two most popular characters. The protege and mentor bond with Tony provided a unique connection between two of the most popular Marvel heroes. While it ended badly (which meant that it made things more difficult for Peter), it was never boring. Thanks to Civil War, while Spider‑Man’s familiarity with some heroes has increased (which leads to less tense encounters with his fellow New Avengers) he has a more adversarial relationship with others to say nothing of darker vigilantes and younger heroes, who may never have trusted him to begin with.

Life was briefly easier for Peter, when Spider‑Man was on the New Avengers, while his family lived in the Avengers Mansion. Marvel featured stories that wouldn’t otherwise be available, along with unique complications (Wolverine hitting on Mary Jane, a scuzzy tabloid reporting that Mary Jane was cheating on Peter with Tony, etc.) Because things briefly turned out so well, it became all the more dramatic when it ended badly. It’s now going to take a long time before May and Mary Jane can comfortably interact with the Avengers. That brief period of joy ain’t coming back any time soon.

When the Mask Came Off

The unmasking allowed for an year of new stories which could otherwise not be done, although it did coincide with declining sales for both Friendly Neighborhood Spider‑Man and Sensational Spider‑Man. The only reason “Spider‑Man Unmasked” happened was that the people at Marvel were planning a giant retcon anyway and understood that this provided an opportunity to see what type of material they could do if the world knew that Peter was Spider‑Man. Some of it was really good, especially Peter David’s Vulture storyline and Matt Fraction’s Sensational Spider‑Man Annual.

There was some objection to ending the “Unmasked” status quo while there were stories left to tell, though it’s preferable to end it too early than to end it too late, especially given the declines in sales, and the way it was obvious the unmasking wasn’t going to last forever, which may be the reason readers have left the side titles.

Organic Webbing

One fairly controversial change last decade involved giving the comic book Spider‑Man organic webbing, like his movie counterpart. With this, there weren’t many arguments that good writers could make it work. It doesn’t really allow for many new stories, and actually just makes things a bit easier for Spider‑Man.

Good drama is about making things as difficult as possible for the protagonist, and organic webbing denies that, by removing a source of conflict and pressure. The only story the comic books haven't really told that requires organic webbing would be Spider‑Man's reaction if his webbing starts malfunctioning (although that was pretty much covered in the first two movies.) Well, you could also do a story where Electro zaps Spider‑Man’s webbing, and he’s internally barbecued. But that’s pretty much it.

While the Brand New Day guys went a bit overboard in the first few months, it was preferable to the alternative. While Bendis never gave Ultimate Peter Parker malfunctioning webshooters, this shouldn’t be used as a reason to limit Dan Slott.

The flipside of the duplicity question is whether Quesada and Marvel have been hypocritical in their reasoning behind One More Day to allow certain recent developments in Amazing Spider-Man.

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Amongst the many angry reactions to "One More Day" were complaints that it was amoral for Peter Parker and Mary Jane to give up their marriage to save Aunt May's life. Some readers argued that they would never have made such a sacrifice, although this assumes that two fictional characters would respond to an outlandish situation the same way as a particular reader.


While you could argue that it would have been characteristic of Spider‑Man to reject a deal with a shady figure like Mephisto, this seemed to be a situation in which either decision would have been appropriate. Joe Quesada argued that Spider‑Man would have probably made the deal to save the life of a random stranger. He believes that it was important that Mephisto sought Spider‑Man out, instead of the opposite.

What do you think Peter would do if Mephisto came to him and said, “Do you see that woman standing there on the street corner? I know you don’t know her, but I’m going to kill her. Or, perhaps “She’s dying of cancer and I can save her.” However, if you give me your marriage, it’ll save her life.”

How would you feel, how would fandom feel if Peter said, “Nope, sorry, go ahead and let her die.”
Many have said that they can’t conceive of why Peter would choose someone else’s life over his own happiness, especially if that someone else is old. They do somewhat exaggerate May’s age and ignore the completely selfless aspects of Peter’s character. He is the type of guy who would give up his own happiness to save the life of a kind unselfish 73 year old woman whose mother lived to be 98 and whose grandmother lived to be 102, according to Marvel Knights Spider‑Man #9. Meanwhile Mary Jane regretted not taking the bullet for May, because of the possibility she would have handled it better.

Peter did feel guilty because Aunt May was shot by someone who wanted to punish him. And some detractors of OMD suggested that as a result, the deal with Mephisto reflected poorly on him. It was also suggested that Aunt May would not have wanted Peter to take the deal. Though in fiction, there are many examples of superheroes ignoring selfless requests from people in need of dangerous rescues.

In the Spider-Man comics, the character has always valued the lives of others above anything else. This was most evident in Paul Jenkins's take on the character, which may have been typical of a tendency by British genre writers to force fictional heroes to make difficult and consequential choices. You could see it in the episodes of Doctor Who in which the Doctor must allow a tragedy to happen in order to prevent a nastier disaster. Garth Ennis summed this up when discussing the Judge Dredd stories he grew up on. Jenkins had a similar sensibility, and was more willing to explore these choices more in his stories than any Spider-Man writer, before or since. Superheroes traditionally valued the lives of the bad guys, but Jenkins made it difficult.

In Peter Parker Spider-Man #41, Spider-Man called an ambulance for a supervillain who had killed hundreds of people.



Later in the issue, he saved the life of another murderer.







In a later Jenkins story, Spider-Man refused to kill Norman Osborn, even when Osborn was promising to murder both their loved ones. He kept to it, even when Osborn later crippled his best friend.



In Jenkins & Ramos's first Spectacular Spider-Man arc, Peter Parker's refusal to allow a cancer-ridden Eddie Brock to die of natural causes was so great that he forced a reunion between Eddie Brock and the Alien Symbiote, restoring one of his greatest enemies (Venom) to full power.



























































I thought Jenkins might have gone a little overboard with his explanation of these themes. But it's all still canon.

If Mary Jane Had Been Shot?

Every now and then someone asks if the decision would have been more understandable if MJ was the one who was shot. You wouldn't have much argument, because there wouldn't have been much of a choice for the characters, as one option (keeping MJ alive at the cost of the marriage) was so much better than the other (MJ dies, but Peter remembers the marriage).

The decision would have been understandable. The story would have sucked. If MJ was shot, why would Peter even consider rejecting Mephisto's offer? The writers would probably have to even the scales somehow.

The outcome might be in more doubt if MJ's fate wasn't quite as bad as May's. For example, if a bullet had paralyzed MJ. Or if she had faced a life-threatening surgery in her immediate future. The latter example doesn't quite work with Mephisto, as it invites too much second-guessing. Why would he make the offer unless he knew she was going to live?

It probably wouldn't be in character for MJ to agree to the deal in either situation. And if it's just Peter who gets to decide, the "One More Day" angle changes completely.

This could have some implications for Peter's next romantic relationship. If he can't date anyone, the writers would be more restricted than they were prior to One More Day.

Would Peter Parker Have Died For Aunt May?

The chain rule works in trying to determine if the character did the right thing. We could probably agree that giving up the marriage would be preferable to dying for Peter. If Peter would die to save Aunt May, it stands to reason that he would also sacrifice his marriage to save her. And Ultimate Spider-Man has made it clear that Peter Parker would have died to save Aunt May. It's a different version of the character, but presumably he has the same morals.





The Master Planner saga, probably Stan Lee and Steve Ditko's masterpiece, also had Spider-Man risk his life to save Aunt May, after she became sick as a result of an earlier radioactive blood transfusion. So I think Peter making the deal with Mephisto was entirely in-character. It's just one aspect of "One More Day" and "One Moment in Time" which has engendered a substantial amount of discussion. Another is the use of time-travel.


Fear Itself #6 Review

Posted by Adam Zenobi 03 October 2011

The heroes prepare to make their final stand against the Serpent...


The Story

The Avengers use Heimdall's Observatory to transport the injured Thor back to Asgard.  Once on Asgard, Steve Rogers gives Odin a piece of his mind, before Odin teleports him and the Avengers (except Thor) back to Earth.

As the world tears itself apart with fear, the Serpent grows powerful enough to kill Odin and all who stand in his way.  He tells Skadi that he has done this all for her.

Spider-Man finally finds his Aunt May.  After a tried and true "great responsibility" speech from his aunt, Spidey heads off to rejoin his fellow Avengers.

Odin heals his son and gives him the armour he used to defeat the Serpent the first time.  He also gives Thor the Odinsword (A.K.A. Ragnarok), a weapon capable of killing the Serpent.

Iron Man finishes building weapons for the Avengers to use against the Serpent in Odin's workshop.  All he has to do is get Odin to bless his Iron Man armour.  Unfortunately for shellhead, that means jumping into a boiling cauldron of uru.  Iron Man takes the leap of faith...

Captain America leaves the Avengers to guard the World Tree while he rallies the people of Bronxton to join him in standing up to the Serpent, who is fast approaching on his floating palace.

Thoughts

This was the strongest issue of Fear Itself yet.  Unlike previous instalments, this issue was a lot more focused, with the spotlight falling mainly on Captain America, Thor and Iron Man, who each get their chance to shine.  However, it was Cap who stole the show; cussing out Odin and raising a militia in Bronxton, we can see why he's such a great character. 

I liked how Matt Fraction drew parallels between Odin and the Serpent, both of whom are willing to commit horrible acts in the name of their children.  It adds a touch of humanity to the Serpent, and gives him a more interesting motivation other than just being evil.

My only problem with this issue was Spider-Man.  We saw him leave the battlefield last issue, and within the span of two pages he's already heading back.  Spidey's arc was rushed and unnecessary, both because Fear Itself really isn't his story, and his tie-in miniseries already went over the same beats.

Fear Itself has had its hiccups, but if #6 is any indication, it should finish strong.  Spider-Man has been announced as one of the Mighty, a group of asgardian powered heroes who will be taking on the Serpent in Fear Itself #7.  Spider-Man fans should definitely check it out!    


Really Spidey?  Another new costume?


  

Infinite Spider-Man Part 4.5: On Keeping Aunt May Alive

Posted by Mister Mets 10 August 2011





















































Before Mackie and Byrne’s infamous 1999 relaunch, Mackie wrote a four parter in which one of Osborn’s cohorts came to Peter to reveal that “May Parker is still alive.” Spider‑Man investigated hoping to find his lost daughter and found his elderly aunt instead. It was revealed that the May Parker who died in “The Gift” was an actress hired by Osborn, which didn’t go over well with fans of a story that appeared on a few Top Ten lists. While Aunt May showing up alive and well in “The Final Chapter” may just have been the only good moment in that storyline, as a genuinely memorable twist, there were a few who suggested that it would have been better if the character had stayed dead. Some expressed their hope that the May who came back in “The Final Chapter” could be revealed as a Skrull, so “The Gift” would remain the proper sendoff to the character.

There are also those fans who weren’t around for the clone saga but think that Aunt May’s death would be a great development for the series. With Aunt May in a coma following Back in Black, they thought that if Peter had to choose between keeping his marriage or saving his aunt, it was time for his aunt and uncle to be reunited in heaven.

I didn't see the point of killing off Aunt May then or now. She had been a big part of the pre-Back in Black stories, and had some great moments in the preceding years. Admittedly it was preferable to kill her during Back in Black, rather than after a string of bad storylines, as that would have limited the impact of the character’s death. The only reason she was killed off in the first place was that the writers decided that her death would make it seem as if Peter Parker had grown up, at a time when Ben Reilly was going to be revealed as the real Spider‑Man anyway.

Some fans believed that Aunt May’s death would allow Peter to grow, and is therefore an essential step in the character’s maturation, which is a bit perverse when you think about it. My father didn't become an orphan until shortly before his Sixty-Fifth birthday, when my grandmother passed away at the age of Ninety-four. Most Americans in their twenties have at least one living parent or parental figure, so losing Aunt May represents an unnecessary step for a twenty‑something Peter Parker. There’s the argument that it’ll help Peter grow up after all the years he has lived with his aunt, but since he moved away to college in the Lee/ Romita days, Peter Parker's spent a majority of his time living away from his aunt. The New Avengers period and first few months of BND were an exception.

It’s likely that some future Spider‑Man writers are going to want to kill off Aunt May eventually, but hopefully the editors will be smart enough to tell them no. The few scenes you get with Peter occasionally mourning the death of his mother figure will not make the comics more interesting than any scenes you could have with the character five years from now, let alone twenty years from now.

One reason she was brought back was that writers realized there were many benefits to her character. , She’s a useful foil to Spider‑Man, and there are still stories left to tell with her. After the clone saga concluded, Mary Jane’s aunt Anna quickly moved in with the Parkers to fill the void left by the loss of Aunt May, though she lacked the connection to Peter’s past that made May so irreplaceable. It also helped that the period during which she was believed dead isn’t really considered one of the high points of the Spider‑Man books.

Perhaps the most significant reason to keep May Parker alive is that she's the only real link to Peter's pre‑Amazing Fantasy #15 past. If future writers want to do stories about Peter's childhood or parents, it makes sense to keep alive the one character who Peter can talk about these things with. While you could always have Untold Tales or flashbacks with Peter discussing his past with Aunt May, there may be a time when Peter's past or Uncle Ben's past or the history of his SHIELD agents parents could be relevant to his experiences in the present‑day Marvel Universe. If that happens, killing off Aunt May, or revealing that she had been dead since Amazing Spider-Man #400, will seem like a foolish decision.

Ultimately, Joe Quesada chose not to resurrect Gwen Stacy, and he chose not to bring back the spider-baby. The revelations about Mary Jane's backstory from Parallel Lives remained canon. As did Sins Past. Aunt May stayed alive. Hell, the only reason she was ever in danger was to set up One More Day. But there was one character who came back from the dead.


Amazing Spider-Man 633

Posted by bps 17 June 2010

So, part four of the Lizard story a.k.a SHED is finally here. This also marks the end of the little games the Kravens have been playing with Spider-Man. What comes next is no longer fun and games.

The Story


It all starts with a news reporter doing her job, when suddenly some creep appears trying to disturb her. Frank, the reporters friend comes steps in, only to be bitten by the creep.

Soon later, the reporter and her friend go psycho too. Frank kills the creep, and the reporter states that she is now his, since he is stronger. For those who have no idea what is going on, read Amazing Spider-Man 632. Its implied that the two go on to have sex there and then. Similar things are happening all over town - thanks to the Lizard.


The next scene shows Spider-Man coming into the city, squashing a little lizard underfoot. Spider-Man drinks the juice Connors used to keep himself stable, and proceeds to take on the Lizard. While struggling to survive, Spider-Man spits some remaining juice he swallowed into the Lizard's mouth. He then injects him with multiple doses of it as well.

Spidey also tries to reach out to Connors by showing him a picture a Billy. Extremely annoyed, the Lizard sends the mind controlled crowd of civilians to kill Spider-Man. With all the pressure, Spidey himself begins to hear the reptilian voice in his own head. Peter refuses to give in and soon blacks out.

The Lizard saves Spidey before he can die. When Spider-Man awakens, he finds the Lizard complaining that he now has pictures in his head. For a moment, the Lizard seems to have a conscience and tries to rationalize killing a young boy. He looks to Spider-Man for approval, to assure himself that he was showing his strength by killing Billy. The Lizard then looks up, sees the city, the airplane, and realizes that the mammals created it all. He realizes for the first time, with Connors brain, that there is more to life than danger and prey. He then leaves, and releases everyone from mind control.


Peter goes to Aunt May's home next, who for your information is still negatived by Mr. Negatives touch. ( Its been more than 10 issues ) He asks Aunt May for help, searching for assurance violence is not really at the center of humanity. In her own mind, Aunt May has an intense battle, of which she finally wins. She is finally seen sitting next to Peter.

The issue ends with The Lizard again, mind controlling a few humans, bringing them to him for observation. Or something like that.

Thoughts


I really love the way they ended it. The Lizard is now becoming slightly mammal. He is curious, and wants to know a little more about mammal behavior. Spider-Man may have awakened an even more dangerous enemy than before. The final scene with the Lizards new 'pets' is classic as all the little humans are smiling.

It certainly seems as though Connors is really gone for good. With Connors no longer  in control of his mind, the Lizard is now able to use his mind and, in a sense, see things from a human perspective. A perfect ending to the story.

I think the Aunt May story was really lame. After 13 issues of being negatived, she suddenly breaks out of it. Why didn't she do that earlier?

Amazing Spider-Man 618

Posted by bps 22 January 2010

Amazing Spider-Man 618, part of the Gauntlet story, which was supposed to feature bad guys of old returning more powerful than ever. The art is this comic is acceptable, not the best though. Some points to note before I carry on with the review.

  1. Do not expect any relation to the previous stunning Amazing Spider-Man 617 featuring Rhino
  2. Do not even expect Mysterio to appear in the comic, as he only appears once
  3. Do not try to understand the first few pages as seen in the preview if you have not previously been following the Amazing Spider-Man since the early issues of Brand New Day. 
  4. Keep in mind that there are two gangs fighting - "Mr Negative" and gang vs "the Maggia gang"

A number of important things take place in this issue.
The Preview ends with Spider-Man poking his head into a fight between the Maggia gang and Mr Negative's gang. The preview also reveals that somewhere along the lines, Hammerhead, switched from being a Maggia to join Mr Negative's gang.

Mr Negative's gang of inner demons make an escape with Hammerhead as their leader. Spider-Man is left directionless and turns back into Peter Parker. Some interesting dialog takes place between Peter and Carlie Cooper, who is examining some clues to a crime scene. Obviously, Marvel is trying to hint that both Carlier and Peter have chemistry sparking between them.

Fortunately, Spidey's relationship with the Black Cat is not left forgotten. Too bad Carlie couldn't be drawn with better looks. Hint: We need Mary Jane


In between their conversation, Peter remembers he has to pick up Aunt May, who freaks out with Peter's driving skills, or lack of it, and asks to be dropped off at the F.E.A.S.T center, where she usually does her charitable feeding to the homeless.




For those who do not know, Mr Negative's alter ego is Martin Li. Martin Li is known to be a good man, and helps out at the F.E.A.S.T as well. Unfortunately, Aunt May walks in just as Hammerhead had brought him some bad news about Spider-Man disrupting in their matters earlier. Aunt May thus witnesses a bleeding henchman who has just been stabbed by an angry Mr Negative. To solve the problem, he turns Aunt May into a negative of some sort.

Elsewhere, we learn that all the heads of the Maggia gang who were killed in the past never actually died. In fact, they are all alive, including Maggia gang boss, Silvermane. It is later revealed that thanks for their 'deaths' go to Mysterio.

Peter, in the meantime, has been talking with Jameson senior. Jameson reveals that he has a secret identity as a famous author. At that moment, the 'negative' Aunt May appears in a terrible mood saying some pretty hurtful things to Peter.

The final scene ends with Carlie spying on a fight between the once Undead Maggia gang, and Mr. Negatives' gang. She also stumbles upon her 'dead' father, who was supposed to be a cop.



Personal Thoughts
This issue is full of the unexpected, including the lack of Mysterio. So, how much do we know about Carlie's father. For some reason, I am unable to recall ever seeing Mr. Cooper in the ASM comics. Does anyone know anything? Was it revealed in the past that he may have been involved with the gang?




As far as Aunt May turning Negative, I am personally convinced that it is no big deal. After all, Spider-Man has turned Negative before as well. (Dark Reign: Mr Negative 2)





Web of Spider-Man 3

Posted by bps 15 December 2009

Web of Spider-Man, as usual contains three different stories. And once again as usual, I will review the first and the last story. The first story provides a build up for the Gauntlet story, currently taking place in the ASM Comics. The first story features Rhino, another B-class super villain who fights Spider-Man.

Although he is yet to appear in the Gauntlet story, some background knowledge on this character is laid in Web of Spider-Man 3. The story begins with Rhino, doing his duty and taking out a bunch of military men as part of his job he is being paid for.

As he completes his job, he thinks back to the past, to before he became the Rhino. Similar to ASM 611, where Deadpool appears, Rhino does not really listen to hard when people around him are speaking. As such, the reader is unable to catch the conversation with annoying' bla blas' in the speech bubble.


Coming back to the current time line, we find out that the military group Rhino had busted was his own men. Time and time again, it has been made clear that Rhino does not like to be labeled 'stupid.'




As such, he naturally gets annoyed as his employers call him an insult to stupidity. His poor employer gets thrown somewhere far out of the building.


The story is rather short and pointless. It ends with the Rhino taking on another job for money. So much for that story. Rhino is essentially a stupid character. He simply does as he is told in return for some cash. he obviously does not listen carefully when people talk to him. Moral of the story is that, he is not the kind of guy you want to rely on.


Amazing Spider-man 613

Posted by bps 26 November 2009

From the preview, we know that Amazing Spider-man 613, continues exactly where ASM 612 left off, with the exact same art style. The last scene in the preview shows Spider-man has escaped the angry mob and changed back into simple old Peter Parker.


We also see that poor Electro is seriously suffering from his own powers and is seeking a cure from the Thinker.

The story

Electro, in desperate need for money in order to pay for treatment to cure himself, is blackmailing Dexter Bennet, owner of the DB - 'give me money or you die.'

Electro succeeds in getting the required amount of money from Dexter and heads to the Thinker's base for treatment. That night, Peter Parker returned to his apartment staying up all night inventing an 'Electro tracer.'

I must mention that the story here is nothing all that impressive. As such it is not surprising that Spider-man tracks Electro down, just as he is being upgraded into Electro 2.0. As if Spider-man's timing is ever better, he comes in just at the right moment to disrupt the machine, making Electro an extremely powerful source of electricity. The Thinker and his associate manage to escape without being noticed.


The story ends with Electro posting another video on YouTube. Encouraging the public to turn on every light in the city to give him enough power to bring down Dexter Bennet and the DB. It is at this point that readers, I suppose, will stop feeling sorry for poor old Electro and will begin reading more about the Electro they have grown up reading about.



Personal Thoughts

In the past 11 issues or so, there have been meaningless glimpses of Aunt May and Jonah Jameson Sr. appearing every now and then. This is one of those issues in which they appear for a short period, adding no value to the story line. They appear, hoping to surprise Peter, only to be greeted by a barbaric looking Michelle, who is not impressed to see Peter's aunt.

Regarding Dexter Bennet, I understand that Dexter Bennet was in no position to negotiate terms when Electro broke into his house to 'rob' the poor man. Nonetheless, Dexter must have been rather silly to think that Electro was going to stick to his word and not come after him again. Especially after he powers up and becomes invincible.

Wouldn't it be simple however for Dexter to inform some authorities and have the power supply shut down for the night. Spider-man can then think through how he is going to take down this new Electro.

The issue is short, and there really is not anything fantastic about it. So far this 'Gauntlet' is going no where further than how the Amazing Spider-man cartoons in the 60's went. Moral of the story, start following New Avengers for better Spider-man stories.

Overall rating for the story: see below



But better than Amazing Spider-Man 611 or Amazing Spider-Man 612.





Spider-man: Clone Saga 2 of 6

Posted by bps 03 November 2009

Spider-man: Clone Saga 2 - To start with, the cover of this issue has absolutely nothing to do with the comic's story. This second installment to the new, improved, and original Clone Saga has seemed to jumped a few steps ahead from where Clone Saga # 1 left off. The story moves extremely quickly, possibly too quickly.

In this second issue, Ben Reilly has already taken on a new identity - the Scarlet Spider. As the preview implies, Ben Reilly has moved on to another part of town, has a job, and is being followed by Kaine. It is interesting how Kaine, although bigger, stronger, and with heightened senses, still has a streak of Peter's habits. For example - trying to make jokes while fighting.

Before this issue, Peter has never met Kaine before. As such neither he, nor Ben know that Kaine is in fact another clone of Peter Parker. The preview ends with Mary Jane not feeling so good. The next scene, reveals that Mary Jane has already broken the news about her pregnancy to Peter.


While Peter thinks that MJ's health is a result of her pregnancy, the doctor thinks otherwise. Mary Jane is later diagnosed with the same genetic condition as Aunt May. How strange since MJ and Aunt May are not the least bit related.

The thing about Kaine is that he is Peter. He has feelings and emotions. Thus, when his heightened Spider sense give him visions of an ill Mary Jane, he decides to go all out against his boss. ( its related you see)



Ben visits Mary Jane and Peter. Peter and Ben later come to the conclusion that there is someone behind Mary Jane and Aunt May's condition. Kaine appears, offering help as he knows who is behind this (his boss obviously). After a very quick fight, the three team up and follow Kaine.

The story ends with the Jackal, who was most probably Kaine's boss all along, capturing the Peters by releasing a gas that affects Peter's DNA. It is only at this point that Peter learns Kaine is another clone of himself.

So, what is motivating this Jackal character against Peter? He wants to create an army of clones that will help him rule the world. In case you did not know, Jackal is the crook who began the cloning in the first place.

Personal thoughts
World domination has to be one of the oldest objectives of all villains. So much so, that it is not even common to comic characters, except for a few weird ones, like the Jackal. Check out the scan below.



It is neat that Kaine still exhibits feelings behind what makes him a bad guy. It reinstates that he is still 'Peter Parker.' Although the story of this issue is not quite impressive, due to the rush through events, the characters involves are admirable.



Most people read Spider-man, not only because of the story, but because of the character of the characters - namely Peter and Mary Jane. It is not in every comic that you find such character. This of course leads to another topic of why making the deal with Mephisto was a bad idea.

Mary Jane and Aunt may clones?

We have to keep in mind that this clone saga miniseries is not going to go in the same direction as the original. As such, there will have to be room for new stuff. Some of this new stuff could include Mary Jane diagnosed with the same problem as Aunt May. I am unsure of the what was originally intended on their first clone saga. Could it be possible that MJ and Aunt May are clones here? From this issue, it is obvious that the Jackal was behind causing Aunt May and MJ to fall ill. A cloned MJ and Aunt May could explain quite a bit here, no?

Anyhow, one good thing for sure is that the Clone Saga # 3 begins exactly where this issue ends. Click the link to check out the preview.












Peter Parker/ Mary Jane relationship - Pre OMD

Posted by bps 27 October 2009

So, I was just browsing through a comic thread over at the CBR forum. I came across a topic regarding the JMS run prior to OMD. In the thread,there were some scans that brought back to mind why I liked Pre -BND so much.

Of course, there was a more responsible Peter Parker ( I suppose it comes with being married as well), who's situation in life was much different to the current one. I am not here to criticize the current BND run. The new story is completely different from the old one, and does have its own interesting stories.

Nevertheless, I have to admit that there is much to miss from the old, married Spider-man character. Here I will be highlighting his relationship with Mary Jane - one of the many reasons Anti BND fans are Anti BND. Check out this panel below.



I do not remember what was the situation in this comic. But obviously, Peter is not gonna be cheating on Mary Jane with a scantily dressed seducer girl. Let me see, who is it that this chic here reminds me of? White hair, blue eyes, appeared in ASM 606, sound familiar?

Now check out this scan below. This is what happens when you make jokes about Mary Jane. I do recall reading this, just forgot what issue it was. It was obviously during the time that Spider-man and family were staying at the Stark tower.






In the panels above, Mary Jane must have done something really bad, that I do not remember. Wolverine then makes some unnecessary comment and out he goes the unbreakable window.

Well, I hope Marvel restores this marriage at some point. In the mean time, we're back to Brand New Day. Peter is single, Mary Jane is last seen looking at Spidey and Black Cat making out, and Kaine back in town.


ps. I wonder if the new Aunt May even remembers living in the Stark Tower. Does she remember her crush of some sort aka Jarvis?

Spider-man Costumes

Posted by bps 26 October 2009

In the past, we have seen a number of different suits that Spider-man has worn, other than his classic red and blue costume.

In this entry, I just decided to run through the different Spider-man suit from the 1960's to 2009.

First, we have the original Spider-man suit, with his little webs under his armpit. I suppose this was supposed to help him fly a little? The colors of the suit, in the Spider-man movie were supposed to represent Mary Jane's red hair and blue eyes.

Does anyone know what inspired this weird costume to start with? I am unsure if there was a comic where he designed the costume.

Of course in the comics, we all know that this was not his inspiration for the costume. Even if it were, Mary Jane has green eyes. Eventually, the little spider-webs we're removed as art progressed, although I occasionally still do see some art with it.




This red and blue suit has, and is the most common Spider-man costume, that Peter Parker will most probably always end up using. Even his daughter, Spider-girl, in the alternate universe uses this same costume. Which to me is ridiculous.













The next costume, used by Spider-man is of course the symbiote costume. This was a very cool costume, that not only changed Spider-man's image, but his personality as well. Even after he got rid of the Symbiote, he still made a similar black costume to swing around in. He eventually put the costume away because his wife - Mary Jane, did not like it as it aroused bad memories.




Spider-man did not wear this costume again until after Civil War, in a series called Back in Black, when he was no longer a registered super hero, but a wanted good guy. After Aunt May was shot, he was out to get revenge- even more a reason for the black costume. He began to slip away from his morals in a way due to his mental distraught .









In the recent American Son series, Mr Fantastic made Spider-man a black suit that to guise himself as Venom, who was part of the dark avengers, pretending to be Spider-man. Confusing isn't it? This suit was made of.. something unreal and extra fantastic. Norman Osborn had the hardest time taking Spidey's mask off.

Here Sue is explaining what the suit is made of - smart cloth




Are the words too small to read? Well, Norman's just saying something extremely scientific. Describing what he thinks the suit is made of.





Anyways, before all this, during Civil War, Iron Man made the coolest suit yet. The Iron-Spdiey suit. This suit was fit with a whole lot of new upgrades. Such included some extra poison legs that come out from his back, and the ability to glide. Although made of iron, the suit was light and flexible like. Eventually, it was destroyed as Spider-man was escaping from Iron man and gang. Read Civil war for that.








Another suit, that Spider-man wears in the future in one designed by some guy. I do not remember completely, but I do remember, in one issue where Spider-man visits a costume designer. He designs a costume for Spider-man and gives him his number to call in case he ever wants it. Later on in the comic, Spider-man goes somewhere in the future, when he is old. He sees his future self wearing the costume designed buy the guy earlier. I absolutely love this costume.




I could not find a better image of the costume online. So here it is. Sweet and Simple. Regardless, here is the latest on a real life Spider-man suit being created. Read the abstract below.

A fully-working prototype of a suit that would enable people to climb walls and sling webs like comic book hero Spider-Man could be just ten years away.

Italian researchers say they have developed a new method for creating a surface-gripping material that mimics "spider silk" and imitates carbon nanotubes.

Read more here.
Hope you enjoyed the entry.


*Edit*

I forgot to add the Captain Universe Suit that Spider-Man uses, or becomes when he was Captain Universe here



See Spider-Man Costumes pt 2







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