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Infinite Spider-Man 10.4: Muddied Waters

Posted by Mister Mets 30 April 2012

The illusion of change works best if the readers don't know how the story is going to end, or where the characters are going to end up. One of the things that worked about One More Day is that it muddied the water about whether Peter and MJ will end up together. That provides a lot of flexibility in the future, in both the regular Spider-Man comics, and other renditions of the story.

For example, the first issue of the post-Ultimatum Ultimate Spider-Man had Peter Parker fooling around with Gwen Stacy. This did upset some readers who liked a book where Peter and MJ were a couple, especially after the events of One More Day. But it represented an advantage of getting rid of the spider-marriage in the 616 universe: the ending of the story (or this facet of it) was no longer certain. It wasn't entirely clear whether Peter and MJ would rekindle their relationship in the Ultimate comics.

This means you don't know how the new Spider-man movies are going to end. If in an upcoming film, an actress playing the Black Cat has incredible chemistry with whoever's playing Peter Parker, the Director will be better able to take advantage of that, now that no one will be able to argue that the "real" (and by this I mean, the 616 Spider-Man whose adventures have been published since Amazing Fantasy #15) is happily married in the latest Amazing Spider-Man issue, so it wouldn't be clear that the Movie Peter Parker will get back together with Movie MJ eventually.

When the first Spider-Man film ended, most of us knew Peter and Mary Jane would eventually be a couple because they were married in the source material. This hindered the ability to have any significant "Will they or won't they?" tension, and took away from the ending of the movie.

Many readers still think that the story is guaranteed to end with Peter and Mary Jane together, but it's something that is increasingly ambiguity. While getting rid of the sense of inevitability may take more time, it's pretty much impossible if the "real" (or original or classic or whatever term you want to use) Spider-Man is happily married. The more distance we have from OMD, the less inevitable a reversion will seem.

The muddied waters also help in the Amazing Spider-Man comic book. When a plot point is resolved, there's an expectation that the characters will get to the next step. When Peter graduated high school, the understanding was that he would soon go to college. When Peter and MJ were married, there was an expectation that at some point they would have a family, and there were reasons for Marvel not to go with that approach.

Prior to One More Day, the writers still had the freedom to explore other aspects of the character's life, including different career paths and education choices. You could argue that since the comics featured Peter graduating High School and College, it should be okay to show him taking other fairly normal steps. But there are a few distinctions. It was something that unambiguously opened up new storytelling opportunities. For a guy with his intelligence and background, graduating college was even more likely than getting married.  But the problem wasn't just that the character got married, but who he got married to. If a Director wants to make Peter Parker a student of NYU rather than the fictional Empire State University, most readers wouldn't care. But they would have been bothered if he had married someone else. Or they would believe that marriage was still doomed to failure, because everyone knew that Peter was going to end up with MJ at some point.

One More Day muddied the water on two other developments which could have been definitive moments for the series. Harry Osborn's resurrection meant that his story wasn't guaranteed to end with a last-minute redemption, when the character died to save his best friend. The remasking meant that even the public's knowledge of Spidey's identity was a genie that could be put back in the bottle, and the ability to shut some of the monsters back into Pandora's box is crucial to the illusion of change.

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Infinite Spider-Man 9.15: Anti-OMD grab-bag

Posted by Mister Mets 30 March 2012

In earlier parts of the essay, I mentioned a few further arguments for retconning One More Day, or restoring Spider-Man's marriage and a few other aspects of the pre-OMD status quo. Aside from the various Part 9 stuff, I thought Mephisto's role worked for the storyit was characteristic of the Parkers to choose Aunt May's life over their marriagethe depiction of time travel was satisfactorythe backlash to "It's magic, we don't have to explain it" was exaggeratedQuesada's version of OMD was superior to what JMS wanted to do, and that it was quite unlikely that any writers are scared away from the series by questions about the backstory, or fear of a backlash.


There's also some stuff that doesn't merit a complete page, although in the process of writing this piece, I decided that some of the points that I thought would be part of this hodge-podge merited separate entries. Fortunately, that isn't the case with a question asked at CBR: How would you explain One More Day to a child?

I didn't think it was all that difficult, relative to other superhero stories. Peter Parker was once married to Mary Jane. Someone shot his Aunt May, and the only one who could save her was Mephisto. He's a weird alien with magic powers. But Mephisto's not a nice alien. He wanted something in return: Spider-Man's marriage. He was going to remake the world so that Peter Parker and Mary Jane were never married. This is obviously fiction, but in life, there are situations when you don't have a good option, and you have to choose between two things which are less than ideal. In this story, Peter and Mary Jane decided that Aunt May's life was more important than their marriage. So they agreed to the deal. Now Mephisto remade the world so that Peter and Mary Jane were never married. Most of the stories set in that period happened almost exactly the same way, except their relationship was different. It's sort of how these stories (point to Lee/ Ditko) still happened, even if the material's all set in the 1960s, when the computers we use, video games and cell phones had not been invented.

If There Was No OMD


It's been a long time since One More Day, so we have no idea what the Spider-Man comics would be like now if Quesada had decided to go in a different direction. As noted earlier, JMS's last two years of Amazing Spider-Man were consistently tied to major EVENTs, which represented a sales strategy that couldn't be sustained in the long-term. Sales on the title were slowly, but steadily declining before “The Other.”

Without this major change to the status quo, something else would have had to be done to keep readers interested in the series Post-JMS. Otherwise, sales might have reached the levels of the pre-Flashpoint Superman titles. Though without One More Day, Spider-Man would not have unmasked in Civil War, nor would Marvel have opted for the Back in Black era. There would not have been as significant a sales drop percentage-wise if the numbers weren't so high to begin with.

From a narrative standpoint, the pre-reboot writers would have had more time to deal with the consequences of "The Other," although that might not have been a good thing considering the poor quality of the storyline. JMS might have been able to conclude his run largely free of any editorial interference if his last arc wasn't used to get the characters from Point A to Point B. There also wouldn't be any controversy generating interest in the work of his successors.

I'm not sure if the creative teams would have been radically different than the ones we got in One More Day. Dan Slott would write Spider-Man under any circumstances. The same was probably true of Guggenheim and Wells. Waid would probably not have come to the title, but there were other writers available.

You might think that there would have been more focus without BND on getting A-list writers to follow JMS, but that gets complicated. Bendis, Marvel's biggest writer, had no interest in Amazing Spider-Man. Millar developed a preference for creator-owned comics. Brubaker actually favors Spidey as a bachelor. Warren Ellis doesn't particularly like the character. That leaves Jeph Loeb, so it's possible that he would have been in charge of the post-JMS direction of the Spider-Man comics. It would have come at a literal cost for Marvel, as A-list writers are much more expensive.

The (almost) weekly schedule is more essential when the title's about a bachelor, as his status quo is more prone to change, and that's easier to coordinate with one title where most of the major stuff happens. Though the increased output of Amazing Spider-Man was something that Marvel had been considering for a long time, so it could have happened without One More Day. Marvel probably would not have wanted a back to basics approach for the book if there hadn't been as deviations from the norm. Maybe they would have developed out a new direction.

There's often a cycle of back to basics periods followed by departures from the norm. You could see it in the Spider-Man comics when Brand New Day was followed by the Big Time. Perhaps without One More Day, JMS's run of Amazing Spider-Man would have been followed by a 101 issue mega-arc with Spider-Man unmasked. This was something he had set up in Amazing Spider-Man #500, and the Back in Black sales showed there was a demand for that. But where do you go from there?

That genie would have to go back in the bottle, a task which was hard enough after an year. Eventually it would have to be time for the series to go back to basics. If the marriage remained part of the title, that would have been one element of the status quo that wouldn't be touched, so it's a storytelling avenue closed for any subsequent directions.

It's easy to try to compare something tangible, such as the stories that were actually published, to an ideal, such as stories that could have been published. I think Brand New Day was a solid stretch of Spider-Man comics, so it's entirely possible that an alternative would not have been as successful, either artistically or financially.

If Brand New Day Had Failed

Some fans of the marriage and opponents of the retcon tried to discourage readers from buying the post-OMD Amazing Spider-Man issues arguing that if Brand New Day was a success, Marvel would have no incentive to undo the marriage. They were correct that the success of the current status quo means that a reversal is less likely.

The big reset strikes me as something that can only be done once, so I’d hate to see it wasted. If it's used more than once, any illusion of drama is shattered as it can become a habitual deus ex machina. But the big reset could itself by reset.

As s a magic retcon is a relatively easy development to undo, there was no need for JMS to carefully craft an out within OMD in order to allow future writers could being back the marriage if necessary, although he pretty much did that anyway. Thanks to the nature of the retcon, there would be several ways for the writer to reconcile the couple. There are several magic related stetcons, to use Peter David's term for retconning a retcon, that the next writers of Amazing Spider‑Man could do. Marvel could do a story in which Mary Jane remembers the world in which she was married to Peter, and they decide to get engaged, allowing Marvel to get stories out of the engagement this time around. Hell the writers could use magic to bring about any status quo they want. They could even reunite Peter, MJ and baby May if they so desired.

The ease with which Marvel could reverse the retcon brings up the major question. What exactly would they get by this?

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There are a handful of arguments against One More Day that are no longer applicable, dealing with whether it was a good idea at the time. Although these should still be addressed, even if that ultimately doesn't address whether or not it's a good idea to reverse Spidey's deal with Mephisto. It does illuminate some of the reasoning behind the approach to Brand New Day.

One problem with the Spider-Man comics during the last two years of JMS's run was an overabundance of major EVENTS (the caps lock is intentional.) So you could argue that One More Day should have been delayed as every issue of Amazing Spider Man since Issue 519 has been tied into one EVENT or another. Even if a magic retcon was necessary, did it have to happen then?

"The Other" in particular, was probably one EVENT too many, though it did come with a significant temporary boost to the sales of all three titles. It occurred right after House of M, so Spider Man and the writers couldn't deal with the traumatic aftermath of that crossover within the three main books, since four months of those titles were devoted to a crossover with entirely new developments. This also served to make House of M seem less important to Spider Man fans who joined the many Marvel fans asking if “No More Mutants” and Wolverine regaining his memory were worth the hype and multiple tie-ins to something that was originally meant to be an arc of New Avengers

"The Other" also hindered the Spider-Man spinoff titles. Tying the first issues of Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man to the crossover prevented that series from developing an identity. The raison d'etre for Marvel Knights Spider-Man was that it was the title in which A-list talent told self-contained standalone stories, so the crossover hamstrung that title as well.

“The Other” also occurred right before Spider Man gained the Iron Spider suit during the Civil War prelude, which meant that there was no time for writers to focus on the aftermath of the storyline. Nor was there any time to explore Spider-Man's new abilities due to Marvel's decision to do two consecutive high-profile stories in which Spider-Man gets new abilities from different sources. It’s likely that many of the unanswered questions in “The Other” will never be resolved, which is somewhat annoying as the storyline remains in print thanks to the JMS Ultimate collection series of Trade Paperbacks. While it’s disappointing to readers that it was never answered how Morlun was resurrected or what exactly was the reason for Peter's illness, it won’t limit the future writers or the stories they can tell. Comics fans are notorious for demanding answers to old loose ends. Look at the Spider Man fans who want Baby May to return. Disappointing older readers in this way will not prevent new readers from buying the books, and has few material disadvantages, especially if the stories and art for the new material remain good enough to keep the old-time fans hooked.


"One More Day" was different from “The Other,” “Spider-Man Unmasked” or “Back in Black”, as the creators have been gearing up for a big, and fundamental change to the character's status quo for a while, and the other storylines (notably "Spider Man Unmasked" and “Back in Black”) were leading directly to it.

There would have been advantages to extending the unmasked era for a few months. It would have given Quesada more time to finish OMD, and Brand New Day could have kicked off with the slightly more commercial Amazing Spider-Man #550. And as One More Day was delayed anyway, Marvel would have been able to release four months worth of new material in the meantime (revenue that now never happened), allowing writers to explore a unique status quo. While the side titles were performing poorly in the sales rankings, real sales were still slightly higher than they were before “Back in Black” so the books would have made some money. And it might have forced JMS to rewrite the first chapter of OMD to allow more time to have passed between it and Civil War. 

On the other hand, I have no idea whether there was enough talent available to suddenly create twelve issues of new material once it became apparent that OMD would be delayed. Nor would it clearly have been fair for new readers to essentially get four months of filler. For an OMD critic, there are benefits to knowing that many major changes won't live up to the hype. If you don't like what happened, it may be reversed some day. 

One reason there may be so many events is that the marriage and multiple titles, two of the things fixed with Brand New Day, made it difficult to convince readers that there will be significant changes to the status quo. With Peter being married to Mary Jane and having adventures in three or more monthly titles, the only way to change the status quo was with an event, or by making one title clearly more essential than the others. This wasn’t limited to Quesada or Mackie, and was a part of the Spider Man books since the early 90s, when Harry Osborn became the Green Goblin again, Peter’s parents returned from the dead and there were times when the majority of issues in a series were parts of a crossover, especially during the Clone Saga.

Many of the problems with events were due to poor management on Marvel’s part. Often what could have been a decent Amazing Spider-Man story was declared an event, with the other books being forced to acknowledge and deal with the repercussions those developments. However Amazing Spider-Man didn’t reference the other titles, or sometimes flat-out contradicted it, unless every appearance of the “Back in Black” Spider-Man occurred within a few days of the end of Civil War.

The major reason Marvel didn't want to commission more material before One More Day was that Dan Slott and company were working on Brand New Day, so the new stuff would have had to fit around that. The Brand New Day era addressed some of the pre-OMD concerns. The crossover events were gone, and the title spent the next 101 issues mostly in its own self-contained world, before the Spider-Man characters became more active in the overall Marvel universe. That may have been somewhat necessary considering the difficulties in coordinating everything for the writers and artists of Amazing Spider-Man and the various minor spin-offs, a task that would have been more difficult with other titles involved. 

While TPB-length arcs had previously been a common sight, there was only one storyline that fit the description in the first year of Brand New Day: the six-part New Ways to Die, which featured the return of Venom and Norman Osborn to the franchise after a prolonged absence. It wasn't an event in the way that "Road to Civil War" was an event, but it mattered. Hell, the lack of EVENTs meant that the other stories weren't overshadowed, as Peter Parker got new supporting characters, some of whom have stuck around, and new enemies. When there was a change to the status quo, such as Peter Parker getting blacklisted from the Daily Bugle, it could occur at the end of a two-part story.

The Brand New Day new format eliminated the need for event driven crossovers. As there was a complete understanding about how major developments fit into the overall picture, an Event wasn't necessary to make it happen. The writers were better able to deal with the ramifications of each change to the status quo, something that continues in the current Big Time era.

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Infinite Spider-Man 9.13: Joe Quesada, Liar?

Posted by Mister Mets 20 March 2012

One of the arguments against Joe Quesada's guidance of the Spider-Man comics is that he lost the moral high ground. If so, the current series is tainted, even if there's a new EIC. The argument has been made that the direction should be reversed, to demonstrate to the fans the company's willingness to redress past wrongs.

In the previous entries, I looked at whether he was a hypocrite. Now it's time to see if Quesada was an outright liar. In most conversations about anything he has said, there are references to supposed lies he made in the past, as a reminder that what he said should be taken with a grain of salt, if not ignored. The subject came up often enough that CBR has a 1200+ post thread about it.

Quesada held a fairly high profile position for a decade, with all sorts of comic geeks picking apart everything he says. Blogging for the Atlantic, Andrew Sullivan has a section in which he lists the lies of a politician he dislikes. Quesada’s not as important as a former candidate for national office, but it’s an indication that someone looking to score points could easily provide this information in a readily accessible form, if it existed.

He has been asked a lot about One More Day, so there have been plenty of public statements on the matter picked apart by his detractors, trying to poke holes in any of his arguments or rationalizations. Any contradiction or inadequate explanation is taken as evidence of poor judgement, often out of context. If someone spends dozens, if not hundreds of hours, discussing a decision in multiple venues for public consumption, in interviews and comic book convention panels, occasional brain farts and bouts of hyperbole are almost inevitable, with the mistakes receiving a disproportionately high amount of coverage.

I wouldn't think too much of it, nor does it seem fair to allow that to define whether or not the people at Marvel were able to articulate the reasons for their decision. If you get asked a question fifty times, you might have an inarticulate moment (I'm keeping this phrase should I ever become a campaign spokesman) every now and then. By exaggerating the significance of that, the critics cede the ethical high ground in an argument about moral superiority.


Quesada's human. Which means if he makes thousands of statements, he'll mispeak a few times. Or be misunderstood, as seems to be the case with most of his "lies." Or make statements about plans that will end up turning out differently. Most people have nuanced positions, which can take a while to articulate, a complication in an interview where a pages-long answer isn't appreciated. Add to that the problems of potentially spoiling a story, and then the ease with which one can be paraphrased.

Quesada’s often compared unfavorably to his predecessor Stan Lee, who may just be the best ambassador the comics medium has ever had. Quesada often places himself in situations in which he doesn't have control over the questions being asked, which wasn't really a problem for Stan Lee, who dealt with letters to the editor. And the internet allows fans to maintain records of what Quesada said, as noted by how often they'll referfence something he said years ago. Plus, Quesada's dealing with more titles and a more long-term approach (I doubt Stan Lee's tenure as EIC ever had the Spider-Man writers mapping out the book an year and a half in advance) which increases the number of incriminating "answers." In addition, today's media formats allow greater scrutiny of Quesada than Stan Lee received. Youtube has made factchecking a lot easier, which complicates the lives of politicians and PR guys.

We can probably agree that there are circumstances under which it is acceptable for a professional to tell a lie. Obviously, slander or libel is not suitable. Neither is blaming someone else for your mistakes, or distorting the truth to cover your own mistakes.

But it's appropriate to lie to save face for another. For example, there's no moral obligation for Quesada to announce that a writer was fired for complications resulting from a cocaine addiction, or that he'll never work with an artist who insulted his dead father. "Creative differences" will suffice, even if it's technically a fabrication.

I think it's also acceptable to lie about spoilers. There are times when you can't weasel out of answering a question. If Alex Alonso said "I don't know, but I'll get back to you?" he'd be eviscerated by fans who correctly point out that it's his job to know that stuff. Technically, it would also be dishonest, as in most cases, he does have the information that the fan wants. Saying that he can't answer a question because of a potential spoiler also suggests that there is a spoiler, which would also invite much unwelcome discussion. Hell, there might be an article on this site pondering Alonso's revelation that there was a spoiler.

Sometimes fans ask about rather specific questions about plot points that have been seeded in the past, and an unambiguous lie is the only way out. On a Babylon 5 forum, J. Michael Straczynski was asked if a character from the past had any children. He answered no, even though the character ended up having descendants. JMS then admit that he lied in order to preserve an important surprise.

Some of the most-referenced lies by Quesada were much more ambiguous. While Marvel did promise that "dead means dead," it essentially applied for the period when Grant Morrison wrote New X-Men. It's entirely possible for a company to change policies, and Marvel eventually eased up on the restriction after a few years.

Some of the quoted "lies" turn out to have been misdirections. Quesada had said that Captain Marvel wouldn't return, which some considered to be a deception after his appearance in Civil War. But it was later revealed to be a Skrull, and I've seen nothing to indicate that it wasn't always meant to be that way, as Bendis had been setting up Secret Invasion for more than an year before Civil War started.

Some supposed lies come to a question of interpretation. There may be diverging understandings about what was meant by a term like "younger readers" as policy involving teen readers would be different from policies involving fans in kindergarten. Prior to One More Day, Joe Quesada said in an interview that he wasn't planning on pulling "a Bobby Ewing" in the Spider-Man comics. Whether he lied depends on what he meant, especially in the wake of the One Moment in Time storyline, which revealed new details about how the public forgot that Peter Parker was Spider-Man. A "Bobby Ewing" could be understood as referring solely to an "everything was a dream" situation, which isn't quite the case with OMD, as all those stories still happened in some fashion.

One oft-cited example of a lie turned out to be untrue. Detractors constantly claimed that that Joe Quesada had promised years of stories with the world knowing that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. After an attempt to find the source for these comments, it seems likely that some readers mixed up something Quesada said in an issue of Wizard with something another writer said in the next issue.



From Wizard #178...

Marvel Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada assures that this is more than a ploy to raise sales. "If there had been no plan behind it, I would have stopped it in its tracks," admits Quesada. "But knowing what's happening an year or two down the road and how it plays into Spidey stories has me feeling really good about [this]."




From Wizard #179

"I hate it," said Moon Knight writer Charlie Huston. "I think it's a bad call both in terms of the character and the long-term health of the title. I can't imagine this will be one of those "it was all a dream" scenarios- I imagine that Marvel editorial and the writers handling Spider-Man have some specific and powerful storylines planned to spin off on this, and I expect there's going to be some great stuff they can do with the title for a couple of years."
There was a plan for the unmasking, and Quesada knew how it played into Spider-Man stories in 2008 and beyond. The "years of stories" comment was speculation by Charlie Huston, who was not speaking for Marvel. Nor did he have inside information regarding the direction of the Spider-Man comics.

As much as some fans may think otherwise, whether Quesada had lied over five years ago should have little impact on the direction of the Spider-Man comics now. That question comes down to the relative benefits of possible approaches.

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Infinite Spider-Man 9.10: What do the sales charts say?

Posted by Mister Mets 13 March 2012

Around the Brand New Day period, there seemed to be more discussion about Amazing Spider-Man sales than any other title, largely because some fans tried to prove that Joe Quesada made a bad decision, and other fans disagreed. These arguments have quieted down after the Big Time, though there was a recent facebook exchange between Stephen Wacker and J. Michael Straczynski back in December about sales figures after his departure.

Sales figures provide a way to avoid arguing about subjective criteria such as artistic merit, as you claim that you're objectively correct. It also doesn't require any familiarity with the content of the book, which is convenient for pissed off former fans arguing about decisions made years ago.


The goal for a detractor should ultimately be to demonstrate that if something didn't happen, sales would be better. Which requires an honest discussion about the various nuances and complexities. That doesn't usually happen from the people claiming that the figures were bad. The easiest thing to do when arguing sales estimates is to try to win on a technicality, framing the numbers in the best possible way for your side. So, you wouldn't take into account things that would matter when trying to determine if the book would be doing better if it weren't for One More Day, or if the book would do better if OMD was undone. All of the sales discussions have to be considered in that context.

An important note is that the figures being argued are usually incomplete. The oft-cited ICV2 numbers are estimates, based on the Diamond Sales index, which calculates how a book is selling relative to Batman. The statement of ownership figures suggest that the estimates are reasonably accurate, but any error can skew the results from one month to the next.

The ICV2 figures are also only applicable for the direct market. It does not include reprints, digital copies or subscriptions, all of which generate income for Marvel. So it's entirely possible that sales arguments are a complete waste of time, as the people who need to be convinced that the numbers are weak, have access to the real figures.

It's further complicated by the fact that we're looking at three different eras of the Spider-Man titles. There was the Pre-One More Day period when JMS was writing Amazing Spider-Man, and other writers were handling the two satellite books. There was the Brand New Day era in which Amazing Spider-Man was published three times a month, with a rotating team of writers. And there's the Big Time era in which the book is twice-monthly, with one main writer, and Avenging Spider-Man has been launched as a satellite book.

Numbers VS Rankings

One of the major questions when dealing with sales figures is trying to determine if you should compare the estimates, or the sales rankings. The estimates suggest how many copies the book sold, which is important in trying to figure out how much money Marvel made. But just looking at the figures for Amazing Spider-Man isn't intellectually honest, when trying to figure out how a book would have sold if the series had gone in a different direction.

The sales discussions are usually about the management of the Spider-Man books, rather than Marvel or the industry as a whole. As a result, it seems misleading to focus on how the book is selling without looking at the numbers in the context of the rest of the comics industry. There was a decline in overall comic book sales, but some detractors of the current directions try to suggest that Amazing Spider-Man is an outlier, while not explaining why the book would have escaped industry trends were it not for a story they didn't like.

Things do get complicated, as there are many shades to the arguments. There is the reasonable claim that some Amazing Spider-Man fans may have left multiple titles when they left the book, although it's an incredible stretch to suggest that this is the primary reason the industry has suffered.

Rankings can be vulnerable to new factors as well. A cheap shot would be that the book hasn't always been in the top 25 for the last few months, although that's largely because of the boost DC got from the New 52 plan. As a result, there were more titles selling at levels that would previously have guaranteed a top 25 rank. That's good for comics overall, but not an indication of poor administration of Amazing Spider-Man.

Issue-by-Issue VS Month-by-Month

The other major question when arguing about sales figures is over how Marvel should interpret the numbers. Should they compare issues of Amazing Spider-Man before One More Day to issues of ASM afterward, when it came out more often? Or should they compare total sales of the three Spider-Man books each month before and after One More Day? The logic with that approach is that it's all about how much money Marvel is making. There are more nuanced positions available, including various reasons for thinking that total sales matter, but that total sales should have been higher during the BND era, due to the increased time and effort for the writers and editors. That said, it does ultimately come down to your judgement on these two approaches.

The detractors tend to use the most self-serving arguments possible, trying whatever worked better at a particular moment. While readers ordered more copies of Amazing Spider-Man when it was a monthly with an A-list writer, they're ordering significantly more copies of Amazing Spider-Man than they were of Sensational Spider-Man or Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man.

If you think per issue sales of Amazing Spider-Man should be the same no matter how often the book is published, would Amazing Spider-Man be selling the same amount per issue if it were an actual weekly? If so, this would obviously represent lost revenue for the House of Ideas. Hell, shouldn't Marvel try to produce two issues of Amazing Spider-Man a week? They'd just be making more money. Or is there a cutoff point somewhere?

It shouldn't be that hard for Marvel to pull off, though. All they'd have to do is cancel a few lower selling books (X-FactorThunderboltsNew Mutants, Journey into Mystery) and move the creative teams to a twice-weekly Amazing Spider-Man. If it doesn't matter how often Spider-Man comes out, this represents a no-brainer method for Marvel to make more money.

As weeklies are supposed to sell as many copies per issues as monthlies with A-list writers, how much money is Marvel losing by not making their top monthlies (The Avengers, Wolverine and the X-Men) into weeklies? They could probably do it. And that shows the absurdity of assuming that sales will be the same, no matter how often the book is published. Just as less people will buy 2-3 issues a month of Amazing Spider-Man than one issue a month, I think significantly less people will buy an average of nine issues a month of Amazing Spider-Man than two or three issues a month.

As Dan Slott noted during the Brand New Day wea.
Comparing 3X a month ASM to 1X a month ASM is applicable? How much money of their comic-buying budget did consumers spend purchasing all 1X a month ASM in a year VERSUS how much of their comic-buying budget did they spend to following all of 3X a month ASM? It's odd that you'd consider buying 3 monthly Spider-Man books Pre-2007 to 3 monthly Spider-Man books Post-2007 "apples to oranges"... But you WOULD consider it completely applicable that someone deciding whether to purchase 12 apples a year is the same as someone deciding wether to purchase 36 apples a year.
Dan Slott explained why he was happy with the Brand New Day sales figures, although he also documented the increased difficulties on editors and the creative teams.
Starting in January '08, the two satellite books (Sensational and FNSM) were replaced by two more issues of Amazing Spider-Man. So... Same number of pages, staples, and budget as the previous ASM + 2 other Spider-Books. No biggie, right? (HA!)
It seems easy on paper, but in reality there's a lot more to do, tons of coordination, many late nights for everyone-- SUPER late nights-- ESPECIALLY for the editor, assistant editor, and the-hardest-working-letterer-in-comics, Joe C!
The schedule is a nightmare. It's one thing if an issue of FNSM, Sensational, or even 1X a month Amazing misses shipping by a week or two. Slaps on the wrist all around. But for 3X a month Amazing? It's the end of the world. People will come after you with live rounds. I'd like to say I'm kidding... but I'm not. Seriously, I've been doing this for about 18 years, and this is the hardest I've ever worked on a book in my entire life-- and I know that EVERYONE'S been putting in those same hours-- if not more! 
That in mind ('cause I feel like everyone on the editorial & creative team's earned it, on just hard work alone), I think it's fair to look at the comparison of the 3 MONTHLY Spider-Man books that Marvel has been putting out since January 2008, and the 3 MONTHLY Spider-Man books that Marvel put out previously-- going allll the way back to when Spidey first started appearing in three regular monthly titles. 

We've put out 74 issues of monthly Spider-Man comics. Out of those, 73 have placed in the Top 25. For 2+ years, out of the sum-and-total of ALL Marvel's regular monthly Spider-Titles, only 1 issue dropped out of the Top 25. That's means 98.5% did! Ranking-wise, have the 3 monthly Spider-Man books that Marvel produces EVER had that good of a streak?
The comparisons to Amazing Spider-Man before One More Day typically neglect the book's advantages at the time. The title had been involved in high-profile events for 21 consecutive issues (four issues of "The Other" crossover, followed by ten issues of Civil War, followed by the five issue "Back in Black" followed by One More Day) and often outsold the two satellite books combined. These tie-ins are really misleading as a baseline for what levels Amazing Spider-Man should be selling, as there's no reason to assume that the book would have remained at that position post-JMS if One More Day had ended differently. A preferable benchmark would be JMS's pre-"The Other" issues, when sales were declining, although that's still comparing the current book (or the BND era book) to a monthly title with one of the the most popular writers in comics. And there's a finite supply of A-list writers in the industry.

It was also significantly easier to selectively follow Spider-Man's adventures before Brand New Day. Sales data indicates that's just what the majority of readers did, a trend that became most obvious when JMS had a mostly self-contained run on the flagship title. I'm not aware of any issue of Sacasa's Sensational Spider-Man having any impact on JMS's Amazing Spider-Man. FNSM tied up a loose end in "The Other" and established that a demonic entity was interested in Spider-Man, but it wasn't referenced in Amazing. During Brand New Day, you could choose to only buy issues of ASM by a certain writer/ artist, but there's no indication that a substantive number of readers were doing that. It is something that's easier to do right now, with Amazing and Avenging, although it's still more expensive to follow Slott than it was to read JMS's material.

The discussions have simmered down. Most of these comments compared pre-One More Day figures to Brand New Day era estimates. Even the sales chart JMS posted on facebook was an year and a half out of date. A major reason for that is that sales from Amazing Spider-Man #648 and up have been pretty good. And Avenging Spider-Man was Marvel's best-selling debut since Future Foundation.

Detractors were often paranoid about the sales figures, and there were a few threads at CBR about whether Marvel was cooking the books, a question often asked whenever variant covers were usedIf you take the estimates seriously, and compare the estimated sales of books with variant covers to books without, it seems that the boost of one variant cover is less than 4,000 copies. Though it's unlikely that there's an attempt to manipulate the sales charts. If Marvel cared about the ICv2 numbers, they wouldn't offer the subscription deal with a 60% plus discount, as those numbers aren't represented in the Diamond estimates.

The sales analysis is often about trying to prove that Marvel, and especially Joe Quesada, made the wrong decision. So it's worth considering his motivations, and whether his logic holds up to scrutiny.

Infinite Spider-Man 9.8: Controversy

Posted by Mister Mets 12 March 2012

One argument against One More Day was that it was a bad idea, just because it was guaranteed to be controversial. Before that point, Spider-Man's marriage had gone from a sudden change to a seemingly permanent part of the status quo, so any change was going to be rocky. There were going to be people emotionally invested in the previous developments for the characters, who were going to be upset, and were going to do what they could to let others know that.

The anti-controversy argument is counterproductive for anyone who wants the marriage to be restored because it focuses on whether a bad decision was made in the past, when the more significant question is about what would be a good decision in the future. At this point, any decision Alonso, Wacker or Slott could make in the future regarding the marriage would be debated. Although the idea that controversy is inherently bad is questionable, considering the other things that happened that could have affected reader interest prior to One More Day (a focus on new villains, new creative teams, departure of JMS and a thrice-monthly schedule.) It's possible that without the attention and new direction of OMD/ BND, sales would have been lower. 


While readers might not have had an obvious reason to drop the title without OMD, there may be a greater danger when there's no obvious reason to buy the title either. It would just be one of those books on the stand that's probably on okay read, but just doesn't interest you enough to buy. Say what you will about controversy, it brings eyeballs to titles.



During the Brand New Day era, I think the brain trust and web-heads did a good job waiting for most of the vocal critics to calm down for a bit. Readers had an year and a half to get used to the absence of the marriage before Peter Parker's one night stand with Michelle Gonzalez, and Mary Jane's return to the supporting cast. It was three years after One More Day that Peter Parker began his first serious relationship with Carlie Cooper. The writers are playing the long game, and tensions do die down with the passage of time.


Some suggested that the marriage shouldn’t have been changed, because many readers just weren't familiar with a period in which the Parkers weren't husband and wife. That wasn't a particularly persuasive argument, as in addition to untold tales, oft-reprinted classics and the various retellings of Spider-Man's story in the Ultimate Comics and in other media, there was the clone saga, the interval  in which Mary Jane was believed dead and the period in which they were legally separated in those twenty years. The latter two were the most obvious ways writers could shake up the status quo, and it can't be used again, which restricts future writers. And it doesn't work when it's been more than four years after One More Day.


The writers will have to continue ignoring some of the most vocal fans, and that's fine. Otherwise, we'd have had a story where Spider-Man found his long-lost baby, and the Aunt May who turned out to be alive was revealed as a Skrull, regardless of whether these would have been good ideas in the long term. If writers decide those are stories that they really want to tell, that would be one thing. But it shouldn't be mandated because some of the fans are calling for it. The people at Marvel shouldn't worry about appeasing the guys calling for their castrations.



Fans in general aren't concerned about the same things which writers and Marvel Editor‑in‑Chiefs worry about. How many of these readers are bothered by whether or not the book will be enjoyable decades down the line? It’s the job of the writers to know when it’s okay to defy the fans, and write stories that some of them will not enjoy no matter how well its told, such as Ultimate Marvel, the resurrection of Bucky, the return of Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern and the addition of Spider‑Man and Wolverine to the Avengers.

Hell, there was a time when Mary Jane was suddenly (and very memorably) introduced to the Spider‑Man books. If there were message boards then, I'm sure fans would have been reacting to the solicitations of Amazing Spider‑Man #43 (which would be available before Amazing Spider‑Man #42 comes out) complaining about how Peter should be with Betty Brant forever. One of the worst things the writers could do with a bachelor Spider‑Man is give him generic romantic interests, and assume that the readers will care about them because they're important to the story. Fortunately, there is the alternative of making romantic interests unique and compelling, even if anything in that department will initially be disputed and some readers will be disappointed in the outcome. There will always be someone who is upset, regardless of what decision the company makes.


The only real indication of whether something is successful is sales. If sales had plummeted (and we'll talk about sales very soon) with the new format, it would have been easy for Marvel to undo the retcon with a stetcon. They can either have a new story in which magic is used to undo the marriage. Or they could have Peter and Mary Jane start dating one another, and see if the fans are happy with that, eventually moving on to an engagement and a marriage. But it would be irresponsible for Marvel to make decisions based solely (or in a large part) on how the message boards will react.


There are ways for writers to avoid controversy. They could preserve as much of the status quo as possible, and quietly focus more on characters who readers aren't as invested in. So the likes of Carlie Cooper, Max Modell and Michelle Gonzalez can make difficult and sometimes poor decisions, while familiar figures will not be put in that position. One problem with that approach is that the new guys will be more interesting than the classics, because their stories will be more compelling. It's what happens when you take the safe approach in fiction. There's also the risk of losing customers to titles where the protagonists do stuff that's worth arguing about.


Controversy suggests that there are people who are passionate on both sides of an issue. And it often pays off. Stan Lee was right to feature drug use in Amazing Spider-Man, Gerry Conway was right to kill off Gwen Stacy and Bendis was probably right to kill off the Ultimate Peter Parker and replace him with Miles Morales, despite the inevitable resentment from some of the consumers.


Contentious outcomes are equated with gimmicks, which aren't automatically bad, but it does suggest a lack of substance and long-term thinking. You can disagree with the decisions involving One More Day, but I don't think that getting rid of the marriage was a gimmick. It's something that Quesada thought about for years, and has discussed in depth numerous times. There's a difference between saying that you didn't find the reasons given adequate and suggesting that no reason was ever given. The latter is absurd, considering how many interviews Quesada and others have made about a change to a fictional character's marital status.


Something can be controversial even if there isn't a parity between the two sides making an argument. What if Marvel chose the wrong side? What if the fans want change?

Infinite Spider-Man 9.5: Continuity and Backstory

Posted by Mister Mets 26 February 2012

There are two arguments against the current direction of the Spider-Man books which tie into the character's rich history and the reader's participation. One complaint is that because of One More Day, the stories in which Peter and Mary Jane were married no longer matter, so it was all a waste of time and money for readers of those books. Another is that because of a retcon, the backstory may be too confusing. I've written on the latter point in earlier posts, suggesting that retcons don't require undo mental gymnastics from the reader, that it's unlikely that writers could be scared away by the backstory, and that complaints about how One More Day affected classic stories were largely exaggerated.

Newer readers can certainly be scared by continuity if it's handled poorly. It's problematic if you need to know decades of backstory to understand what the hell is going on. When someone blasts continuity, they're either talking about that, or glaring contradictions/ errors.

While the undoing of the marriage is the most obvious result of One More Day, there were a few other regressions, in the course of 30 pages. Spider-Man's identity was a secret again. The mechanical webshooters were back. And Harry Osborn was no longer dead. And no longer married, either.

But Amazing Spider-Man readers, new and old, should currently have been able to understand the framework. The status quo and the basic rules had been clear from the start. There were some questions about how we got to that point, but that's never essential, as we were given the information necessary to appreciate an issue on its merits. Arguing that it was required to know in the first issue of Brand New Day how Peter reacted to Harry's return from the dead is sort of like arguing that the Lee/ Ditko run can't be considered be great, because they never explored the circumstances under which Peter Parker came into the custody of his elderly Aunt and Uncle. As a result, one could claim that the readers could not fully appreciate the relationships between those characters, to say nothing of Peter and Liz Allen, or Peter and Flash Thompson.

The fact that there were some questions about how the continuity worked indicates that earlier stories still mattered, and contradicts the suggestion that One More Day completely undid twenty years of continuity. Some detractors view their inference that the stories they enjoyed “never happened” as a personal insult, one which would mean that they’ve wasted their time on the Spider-Man franchise.

First, if you enjoyed the stories, you didn’t waste your time on them, regardless of whether or not they’re in-continuity. If you just read sub-par comic books to follow the progress of your favorite character, you probably did waste your time and money, and I'd rather not have these tastes dictate the financial decisions of comic book companies.

Even if the stories in which Peter and MJ were married were never referenced, it still happened, as One More Day provided an in-continuity explanation, meaning the stories could be referenced by future writers. As a result, the material was more relevant than the adventures of the Golden Age DC heroes when it was established that they lived in the comic books of the Silver Age heroes; this predated the more famous Earth‑1/ Earth‑2 retcon. That was acceptable at a time when the most common solution to any continuity problem was what a few individuals have advocated: just changing the status quo without warning or explanation. DC's success after Crisis of Infinite Earths and Flashpoint suggested that new and existing readers can be drawn to post-retcon material.

But the stories in which Peter and MJ were married were still referenced. It didn't all happen exactly the way it was shown on the page, but it was close enough. Spider-Man still crawled out of the grave thinking of Mary Jane. Mary Jane still talked Harry into rescuing the drugged Spider-Man. Harry was still pronounced dead. Venom still scared Mary Jane into talking Peter into getting rid of the Black Costume. The vast majority of the stories still occurred pretty much the way they were originally written, just with the leads being together, but not married.

Some object to the idea that even a word was changed in order to reconcile previous issues with the current status quo, so that what happened to the characters no longer happened exactly the way it was depcited on the page. The idea that everything happens in the character's backstory the way it was shown on the page is kinda ludicrous, when you consider all the anachronisms in comics published decades ago, which -as far as the characters are concerned- happened much more recently.

Technically, it still happened that way to the pre-OMD Peter Parker. As has been noted, One More Day did not do anything to affect anything on your bookshelf. The Peter Parker in the current Amazing Spider-Man just experienced everything slightly differently.

I have noticed that some fans support retcons which reveal that everything happened the way it was done on the page, and that there was just new information readers weren't privy to. The favor I've seen of the  Parallel Lives retcon would be one example. But it's often weird to try to reconcile earlier material with a new context that often changes the motivations of characters in ways the earlier writers hadn't considered.

There is a simple solution to avoid the "the last twenty years didn't matter" criticism: have either Peter or MJ  remember the world as it was. In that case, the comics of the last twenty years would still have an unambiguous relevant impact upon the new stories, and this could also open up new material. Whoever remembers the world as it was is in an awkward position if the other is happy in a new relationship.

Marvel does have some reasons for not going with that approach. It would likely increase expectations of a permanent reconciliation between Peter and MJ, as it's easier for the two to get back together if they remember exactly what went wrong. And it would make things confusing for new readers, if a character references memories that no one else is aware of.

I don't think that the retcon changed the backstory in a signficiant way. Peter and MJ still loved each other when they got married and were likely to stay together until death do them part. Anything that preserves this isn’t an insult to the readers. It's the same way Norman's return changed nothing about his motivations or his character. He still killed Gwen, and in that final battle he was undone by his own arrogance. His survival really doesn't matter, except we later got some good stories out of it. If the marriage were undone with the reveal that MJ were revealed as a Skrull, or commited infidelity then that could have been seen as an insult, as it violates the cores of the characters as seen in some good comic books.



If One More Day was undone, some elements of the narrative would be cleaner. Readers wouldn't have to consider how Peter and MJ might remember an event happening differently, following the retconning of the marriage. And even bad stories with a married Spider-Man would unambiguously remain part of the character's history.

But there would be some problems. The narrative wouldn't be that simple, considering all the stories that have happened since One More Day, many of which require Peter to not be in a relationship with MJ. As the most recent era of the Spider-Man books, it's the most readily available for new readers, which makes it difficult for Marvel to ignore it completely, even if they decide that the entire period was a huge mistake. An explanation would have to be provided to tie those stories into a new continuity in which OMD happened differently.  Eventually, you're going to get to the point in which readers are more familiar with the post-BND era Spider-Man than the marriage, so undoing OMD could alienate those guys.


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Infinite Spider-Man 9.4: Repetition and Reader Turnover

Posted by Mister Mets 25 February 2012

One of the most common objections against the post-BND Amazing Spider-Man was that it no longer offered anything new. There are a few variations of the charge, with some detractors claiming that they're just reading the same tale over and over again, and that any given story could just as well have been published in the 1980s.



As far as editorial policy is concerned, the complaint should be limited to Peter Parker's "B" plots: his adventures and status quo when he's not in costume.The "A" plot of a given issue generally doesn't depend on the character's marital status. So if the Spider-Man/ Hawkeye team-up, or the battle with Morbius is something you've seen before, the problem has nothing to do with One More Day.

Once upon a time, significant reader turnover was the norm, which made writers more comfortable reusing earlier storylines. Check out all the times the Thing went berserk and fought the rest of the Fantastic Four during the Lee/ Kirby era. That only worked when comics readers lacked access to earlier storylines. Today, a kid with a computer connection could probably have access to every Spider-Man story ever made, and could probably read them all in the course of a few months to an year. And a lot of the crucial stories are collected in TPB form, or available on Marvel's digital comics site. This means that writers can't just regurgitate developments or stories from the past, especially if those developments were unlikely to begin with (a couple's marriage being magically restored, a supporting character coming back from the dead.) Even if all the old readers are replaced with new readers, the writers won't have a license to duplicate stories that have already been told.



Peter David and Reader Turnover

There are people in the industry who don't realize what's changed. In a recent interview with the Spider-Man Crawl Space podcast, Peter David expressed what I thought to be outdated notions on the topic, while making an anti-OMD argument. He suggested that it would have been possible to avoid the stigma associated with a change in the character's marital status, by simply never mentioning that the character had been married.
My attitude is that if the mandate had come down to me, and I was told that we want to make Peter Parker single again, I would not have been in favor of waving a wand and saying it never happened. I don't understand the concept of "It never happened" because that means that all the life lessons and those things you've learned during it don't mean anything. My attitude would have been "Okay, fine, either we have them get divorced, or we kill off Mary Jane. That's it."And the argument would be "Well, then, forever after, Peter Parker will always be a divorcee. Or he's always going to be a widower." And that's true. But that reckons without the concept of fan turnover. There are lots of stuff that you and I know about, things that happened 4 or 5 or 6 years ago, that there are plenty of Spider-Man fans who are new, and who have no freaking idea. You and I talk about "The Death of Jean Dewolfe" and there's going to be fans out there who only know about Jean Dewolfe and the Sin-Eater because they're buying a minimate.So time as they say, heals all wounds. And four or five years ago you're going to have an entire raft of Spider-Man fans who are unaware of the fact that he was ever married to someone named Mary Jane. Twenty years from now, you'll have no one who is going to remember it.
I recall reading similar arguments from John Byrne, who suggested that it was a mistake for DC to reprint Jack Kirby's Fourth World comics, because these contradicted appearances by the New Gods in DC comics at the time. The idea that you could just ignore past comics may have once been true, but it's no longer applicable. DC writers can't just pretend that Jason Todd was never Robin, or that Barry Allen was never in the JLA, without some sort of explanation and probably a retcon. The comics market has changed in a very significant way. While there will be some new readers who just won't be interested in older material, there will be other new fans who will devour much of the extensive backlog in a short amount of time. They will read classics like the Death of Jean Dewolfe. And they'll have many options for accessing those stories, including the back issue market, trade paperbacks and downloads, legal and otherwise.

Marvel could limit the access fans have to the material, in order to try to control perceptions regarding the character, by not reprinting any of it and making it unavailable for legal download. But that won't accomplish much, in the age of illegal digital downloads. Even if they hadn't read the older adventures, new readers could also still learn about the character's status quo in various articles about the Spider-Man comics online and elsewhere. And Disney would lose the revenue generated by reprints of all those acclaimed stories that happened while Peter and Mary Jane were married: Kraven's Last Hunt, Todd Mcfarlane and David Micheline's first Venom appearances, JM Dematteis and Sal Buscema's Harry Osborn Green Goblin Saga, the J Michael Straczynski/ John Romita Jr run of Amazing Spider-Man, the return of the Sin-Eater, etc.

In the old days, it was possible for publishers and editors to control what elements of a character's backstory readers were familiar with, as customers typically only bought what was available in the newsstand. But pretending that an element of the status quo, such as the lead being divorced or a widower, doesn't exist stopped being a viable approach when companies saw the financial benefits of keeping their classic material readily available. While you could disagree with the wisdom of the decisions in One More Day, the "time heals all wounds" strategy wasn't an option.

In the same interview, Peter David mentioned how most Fantastic Four readers are unaware that the Human Torch was ever married. But it's not an apt comparison, as that still involved a retcon to establish that Johnny Storm was not married to Alicia Masters. That marriage also lasted for a shorter period of time (58 issues of a monthly VS 15+ years with a minimum of three monthlies), a stretch mostly consisting of forgotten runs on the title (Tom Defalco, Steve Englehart and Roger Stern). Although someone who picks up one of the Walt Simonson Visionaries TPBs will be off to Wikipedia to understand what happened.


Hoping for reader turnover doesn't seem to be an effective strategy for the people who want One More Day to be undone, as they tended to be long-time fans. But the problems with it demonstrate how Marvel has major incentives to avoid repetitive plots in the Spider-Man comics.


Stories that could have been told decades ago

Any stories published today should still be different from what you've seen before, although it shouldn't matter where Peter Parker finds himself at the beginning or the end of the issue.  There is a grain of truth to the final point of some of the critics, that in some ways, many of the stories could have been told decades ago. A few years ago, Marvel launched the Forever line, allowing acclaimed writers to show what they would have done had they stayed on the book. They had Chris Claremont on X-Men Forever, Louise Simonson on X-Factor Forever, and Bob Layton on Iron Man Forever. But there wasn't any need for a Roger Stern Spider-Man Forever, because the Brand New Day era Spider-Man was in a similar place to Peter Parker circa Amazing Spider-Man #250.


Hell, Stern went on to write a few issues during the Brand New Day era, including one which referenced "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut" as having occurred "months earlier." As far as Roger Stern was concerned, it could just as well have been less than an year for the characters since his run ended.


Even if an issue could have been told in the 80s, it should still offer something original, just as Peter's story in Amazing Spider-Man #242 should be different from what he goes through twelve issues later. Of course, in the decades since, writers have more toys to play with, including a new supporting cast, villains and settings. Despite an intentional rejection of the "writing for the trade" approach from Slott and company, the storytelling sensibilities are also quite modern, which also results in new material.

The contemporary setting meant that things were different in a few big ways, including Peter Parker's access to the internet, cell phones and changing social norms. While Roger Stern's original run showed what Peter Parker would be like as a young man in the 1980s, the post-One More Day Spider-Man is a guy who was born in the 1980s. That informs the writers.



The anti-repetition argument hasn't been made very often recently, as the Big Time era has featured some significant and obvious changes to the status quo, which have been relevant to the stories. The previous four issues have been heavily dependent on Peter's job at Horizon Labs, while the earlier Vulture two-parter focused on Peter's association with Carlie Cooper post-Spider Island and the opening Avenging Spider-Man arc required Spider-Man to be on a team with the Red Hulk, and J Jonah Jameson to be Mayor of New York City. All these developments could be removed from the book (Carlie moves to Florida, Peter's fired from Horizon Labs, Spider-Man leaves the Avengers, Jonah loses a special election, etc.) and Peter Parker could find himself in a remarkably similar situation to where he was in the 1980s, but even in that case,  there's no reason writers have to feature new versions of old stories. They could still take the series in a different direction from there. It's also worth noting that the best-selling Spider-Man comic book of the last decade was a response to a contemporary news story: the election of a noted Spider-Man fan into the White House.


Even if the Spider-Man comics right now were just duplicating earlier material, this wouldn't be a particularly effective point in favor of retconning One More Day. At this point, the recommended solution to the alleged problem would be a variation of the problem. Marvel would still be restoring the title to an earlier status quo, and if you think such a return is the equivalent of repeating earlier stories, the new Amazing Spider-Man will be a book of repeats. You don't see many people suggesting that the way to avoid repetition is to take the series in a radically different direction post-OMD, when technically that would be the way to avoid the problem.


There were some who wanted the unmasked era to last longer. So, a return to the immediately pre-OMD circumstances would offer something that could not have been done at most earlier points. But this isn't something that all OMD detractors are united on, and I'm not sure those particular conditions could have lasted much longer. It would have been a radically different title, when Peter Parker's a fugitive and everyone knows his secret identity. That would be a far cry from what made the series successful in the first place. The 50th Anniversary of Spider-Man is coming up, and a big reason we're still interested in the character is that the template has worked so well. For many, the suggestion that a story could have been published decades ago is a compliment.


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Infinite Spider-Man 9.3: Teasing the Fans

Posted by Mister Mets 16 February 2012


If the illusion of change has been shattered for some readers after One More Day, there are still moral questions about what this means about Marvel's implied contract with less savvy readers. Are the writers committing a lie of omission, teasing possibilities which will never be consummated? What is the ethical way to hint at future storylines?

Mary Jane's appeared in Family Guy, and other outside media, so you could certainly make the argument that the public sees her as Spider-Man's chief romantic interest. And this results in two contradictory arguments, and a Catch-22 for Marvel.

If anything occurs in Amazing Spider-Man to suggest a potential reconciliation with Mary Jane to the readers combing the book for clues, some detractors will suggest that Marvel is cynically teasing the fans. On the other hand, if a story insinuates a serious romantic relationship between Peter Parker and anyone else, other readers suggest that the fans are being duped because we all know that Peter will eventually end with Mary Jane. The implicit suggestion is that Marvel's only solution to these two contradictory problems is to undo One More Day, so that the all readers know that Peter Parker has ended up with Mary Jane. That way no one is being misled.

The contrasts in the critiques suggest that savvy readers won't actually know what's inevitable. Mary Jane has the most name recognition now, thanks to the Fox cartoon, the Raimi/ Maguire films, the comic strip and all the comic books in which she is Spider-Man's wife. But things can change the further we get from One More Day. The longer Peter and Mary Jane remain apart in the comics, the less inevitable any permanent reunion will be. It's also going to be an advantage for anyone trying to tell the story of Peter Parker, when there isn't a clear conclusion to the main character's romantic burdens.

A big moment to repudiate any impression that OMD is temporary came when Alex Alonso, Joe Quesada's successor as Marvel EIC, demonstrated that he had no interest in restoring the marriage. The Spider-Man film reboot will feature Gwen Stacy as Peter Parker's romantic interest. Now that the waters are muddied, fans will have less reason to assume that a story isn't worth telling because "everyone knows" that Peter Parker is going to end up with Mary Jane.

A reconciliation is still possible. It's fairly easy for Peter and Mary Jane to fall in love with one another again without any sort of retcon. Editors or reviewers referencing the chance that Peter and Mary Jane would get back together wouldn't be cheating the readers in any way, as it would be something that could actually happen. A cheat would be when they actively try to mislead the readers.


And if the couple were to actually get back together, Marvel wouldn't be teasing the fans, as the thing many of them wanted would actually be happening. It might not be permanent, but that's the nature of the ongoing serial. Some readers would prefer that the two stay together forever, but it's a stretch to suggest that it's cheating for Marvel to feature a status quo which isn't unambiguously permanent.

The status quo is always prone to change, and this includes some of the things many readers like. Should the relationship fall apart (again), there will still be the possibility that the two will get back together, just as that potential existed after the first time Mary Jane rejected Peter’s proposal.

Some believe that any reunion or hint of that will be teasing the fans by suggesting that the status quo of the marriage will be coming back. They seem to believe that these bluffs can result in significant short-term sales bumps. In a CBR post, a former retailer attributed increased sales of Amazing Spider-Man #617 to a then recently-released teaser showing Mary Jane in a wedding gown. Some people take this stuff very seriously, and expect others to do so as well.

In terms of the small picture, and the stories that Marvel will allow the writers to tell, it really doesn't matter if Peter and MJ are married. As noted before, there aren't that many potential stories that actually require Peter and Mary Jane being married, and most stories with the two could be done regardless of their marital status. The readers who want to see more stories with Peter and Mary Jane interacting as a couple in love shuld be happy to see a reunion, and it wouldn't be a mere tease. This wouldn't be enough for some readers, but considering the numerous statements by writers and editors regarding the spider-marriage, it seems unlikely that there would be any attempt on Marvel's end to mislead anyone regarding something so specific.

It's rather unlikely that the writers will try to mislead the customers in an unfair way. In fiction, some form of misdirection is often required so that the readers can be surprised as the story develops. But in the long-term, no one knows exactly how Spider-Man's story will end, or where it will be in the not so near future. Dan Slott recently handed Stephen Wacker a document about his plans for Amazing Spider-Man deep into 2013. But I doubt that they know where the character is going to be in ten years. And that makes it much more difficult to state what is possible and impossible at that time.

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